What is the solution for a critical damped SHM equation?

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The discussion revolves around finding the general solution of the damped simple harmonic motion (SHM) equation under the condition of critical damping, specifically when the damping coefficient K equals the natural frequency Ω. The original poster presents the equation and attempts to derive the motion of a particle released from rest at a specific position.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the characteristic polynomial of the differential equation and its roots, questioning their linear independence and implications for the general solution. There are attempts to clarify the form of the solution for a double root and how to apply initial conditions to find specific constants.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring the implications of the double root in the characteristic polynomial and how it relates to the general solution. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of initial conditions to determine constants in the solution, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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Participants note the initial conditions provided in the problem statement, specifically that the particle is released from rest at a position x = a, leading to the conditions x(0) = a and x'(0) = 0. There is some uncertainty about the necessity of proving the general solution for the specific case of critical damping.

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Homework Statement


Find the general solution of the damped SHM equation(5.9) for the special case of critical damping , that is , when K = [tex]\Omega[/tex]. Show that , if the particle is initially relaeased from rest at x= a , then the subsequent motion is given by

x=a*(e^-([tex]\Omega[/tex]*t))*(1+[tex]\Omega[/tex]*t)


Homework Equations



x''+2Kx'+([tex]\Omega[/tex])2*x=0
x=A*cos([tex]\Omega[/tex]*t) + B*sin([tex]\Omega[/tex]*t)


The Attempt at a Solution



x=e[tex]\lambda[/tex]*t

x'= [tex]\lambda[/tex]*e[tex]\lambda[/tex]*t

x''=[tex]\lambda[/tex]2*e[tex]\lambda[/tex]*t

x'= -A*[tex]\Omega[/tex]*sin([tex]\Omega[/tex]*t) + B*[tex]\Omega[/tex]*cos([tex]\Omega[/tex]*t)

x''= -A*[tex]\Omega[/tex]2*cos([tex]\Omega[/tex]*t) - B*[tex]\Omega[/tex]2*sin([tex]\Omega[/tex]*t)

Not sure how to proceed...
 
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Take a look at the characteristic polynomial of the DE:

[tex]x''(t)+2 \Omega x'(t) + \Omega ^2 x(t)=0 \Rightarrow \lambda ^2 +2 \Omega \lambda + \Omega ^2 =0[/tex]

where [tex]\lambda ^n x(t) \equiv \frac{d^n x(t)}{dt^n}[/tex].

What are the solutions for [itex]\lambda[/itex]? Are they linearly independent? What does that tell you about the general solution for [itex]x(t)[/itex]?
 
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gabbagabbahey said:
Take a look at the characteristic polynomial of the DE:

[tex]x''(t)+2 \Omega x'(t) + \Omega ^2 x(t)=0 \Rightarrow \lambda ^2 +2 \Omega \lambda + \Omega ^2 \lambda ^2=0[/tex]

where [tex]\lambda ^n \equiv \frac{d^n x(t)}{dt^n}[/tex].

What are the solutions for [itex]\lambda[/itex]? Are they linearly independent? What does that tell you about the general solution for [itex]x(t)[/itex]?

That [tex]\lambda[/tex]=-[tex]\Omega[/tex]; its a double root

I remember from my ODE class that if a polynomial had more than two root, then x(t)=c1*e-r1*t+c2-r2*t; Otherwise , if the polynomial has only one solution, then x(t)=c1*e-r1*t+c2*t*e-r1*t

How would I go about showing that x(t)=c1*e-r1*t+c2*t*e-r1*t
rather than loosely remembering what I learned about the conditions for ODE equations certain solutions
 
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I assume you mean [itex]x(t)=c_1 e^{\lambda_1 t}+c_2te^{\lambda_1 t}=c_1 e^{-\Omega t}+c_2te^{-\Omega t}[/itex]?

If so, you can show this by substituting this general solution into the ODE and showing that it satisfies it.

Then, just use the fact that x(0)=a to show that the specific solution is the one given in the problem.
 
gabbagabbahey said:
I assume you mean [itex]x(t)=c_1 e^{\lambda_1 t}+c_2te^{\lambda_1 t}=c_1 e^{-\Omega t}+c_2te^{-\Omega t}[/itex]?

If so, you can show this by substituting this general solution into the ODE and showing that it satisfies it.

Then, just use the fact that x(0)=a to show that the specific solution is the one given in the problem.

Should I start off by assuming that the original ODE for a double root is [itex]x(t)=c_1 e^{\lambda_1 t}+c_2te^{\lambda_1 t}=c_1 e^{-\Omega t}+c_2te^{-\Omega t}[/itex]? or do I need to go about proving that I arrived at this solution ?
 
I don't think you'll need to prove that it's the general solution, the solutions to constant coefficient ODE's are well known and can be found in almost any text on DE's; but you may want to check with your prof to make sure.
 
gabbagabbahey said:
I don't think you'll need to prove that it's the general solution, the solutions to constant coefficient ODE's are well known and can be found in almost any text on DE's; but you may want to check with your prof to make sure.

x(0)=a

I think the initial conditions for v is zero as well , since the damped motion is undriven.

x' = -[tex]\Omega[/tex]*a*e-[tex]\Omega[/tex]*t + c2*(e-[tex]\Omega[/tex]*t-x(0)=a

I think the initial conditions for v is zero as well , since the damped motion is undriven.

x' = -[tex]\Omega[/tex]*a*e-[tex]\Omega[/tex]*t + c2*(e-[tex]\Omega[/tex]*t-[tex]\Omega[/tex]*t*ex(0)=a

I think the initial conditions for v is zero as well , since the damped motion is undriven.

x' = -[tex]\Omega[/tex]*a*e-[tex]\Omega[/tex]*t + c2*(e-[tex]\Omega[/tex]*t-[tex]\Omega[/tex]*t*e*t*[tex]\Omega[/tex]

How would I go about finding c2?
 
Your last post didn't make much sense.

You can determine [itex]c_1[/itex] by using x(0)=a, and [itex]c_2[/itex] by using x'(0)=0 (since the particle is released from rest at t=0)
 
gabbagabbahey said:
Your last post didn't make much sense.

You can determine [itex]c_1[/itex] by using x(0)=a, and [itex]c_2[/itex] by using x'(0)=0 (since the particle is released from rest at t=0)

sorry for the confusion , but I was essentially saying what you said in your last post: Should I assume for an undriven damped oscillator , that the initial conditions for x' and x are zero at t=0.
 
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Benzoate said:
sorry for the confusion , but I was essentially saying what you said in your last post: Should I assume for an undriven damped oscillator , that the initial conditions for x' and x are zero at t=0.

There's no need to assume anything here; you are given the initial conditions:

Show that , if the particle is initially released from rest at x= a , then the subsequent motion is given by ...

that means x(t=0)=a and x'(t=0)=0.
 

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