What Is the Speed of a Spacecraft Near Mars?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the speed of a spacecraft as it approaches Mars, given its initial speed and the distances from the center of Mars at two points. The problem involves concepts from gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy, specifically in the context of celestial mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss using the work-energy theorem to relate changes in kinetic and potential energy. There are attempts to set up equations involving gravitational forces and energy conservation. Some participants express confusion about the correct application of these principles and the algebra involved.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their attempts and corrections. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct formulation of equations and the importance of precise values. There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between variables, but no consensus has been reached on the final speed calculation.

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Participants note the need for precision in calculations due to the context of landing on Mars. There are questions about the relevance of certain parameters, such as the radius of Mars and the mass of the spacecraft, in the calculations being performed.

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A spacecraft is coasting toward Mars. The mass of Mars is 6.4 × 1023 kg and its radius is 3400 km (3.4 × 106 m). When the spacecraft is 8500 km (8.5 × 106 m) from the center of Mars, the spacecraft 's speed is 2250 m/s. Later, when the spacecraft is 5300 km (5.3 × 106 m) from the center of Mars, what is its speed? Assume that the effects of Mars's two tiny moons, the other planets, and the Sun are negligible. Precision is required to land on Mars, so make an accurate calculation, not a rough, approximate calculation.

I know the answer is 3340 m/s but i can't seem to get it.
Any help will do
 
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Use work energy theorem.The change in potential energy is equal to change in kinetic energy.
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bibrahim6 said:
A spacecraft is coasting toward Mars. The mass of Mars is 6.4 × 1023 kg and its radius is 3400 km (3.4 × 106 m). When the spacecraft is 8500 km (8.5 × 106 m) from the center of Mars, the spacecraft 's speed is 2250 m/s. Later, when the spacecraft is 5300 km (5.3 × 106 m) from the center of Mars, what is its speed? Assume that the effects of Mars's two tiny moons, the other planets, and the Sun are negligible. Precision is required to land on Mars, so make an accurate calculation, not a rough, approximate calculation.

I know the answer is 3340 m/s but i can't seem to get it.
Any help will do

What have you tried? What equations are relevant (the posting template is there for a reason!). What concepts are involved? We can't help if we can't see where you need help!
 
Ive tried delta K = delta U so 1/2 m(vf-vi)^2 = -G (Mm/(rf-ri)) but i get initial is equal to final since the potential is very small
 
Let's see some numbers. What's the 'per kg' change in potential energy due to moving between the two positions?
 
bibrahim6 said:
Ive tried delta K = delta U so 1/2 m(vf-vi)^2 = -G (Mm/(rf-ri)) but i get initial is equal to final since the potential is very small

Also note that (vf - vi)2 is not the same as vf2 - vi2. The change in kinetic energy is given by ##\frac{1}{2}m (vf^2 - vi^2)##.
 
So this was my attempt

(.5)m( (vf)^2 - (2250)^2 )= -(6.67e-11)* ( (m *6.4 × 1023 ) / (5.3e6 - 8.3e6) )

so m= mass of spacecraft I'm assuming it cancels out and i end up getting
vf= 2250 which is not correct

and does the radius of Mars come into play in this problem?
 
bibrahim6 said:
So this was my attempt

(.5)m( (vf)^2 - (2250)^2 )= -(6.67e-11)* ( (m *6.4 × 1023 ) / (5.3e6 - 8.3e6) )

so m= mass of spacecraft I'm assuming it cancels out and i end up getting
vf= 2250 which is not correct

and does the radius of Mars come into play in this problem?

Your algebra is causing you problems. For the PE change,

$$\frac{GMm}{r_f} - \frac{GMm}{r_i} \neq \frac{GMm}{r_f - r_i}$$

The radius of Mars won't come into play, and yes the mass of the spacecraft will cancel out.
 
I corrected that and ended up getting 3299 m/s...can you lay out an exact equation please I am just not seeing my error
 
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bibrahim6 said:
I corrected that and ended up getting 3299 m/s...can you lay out an exact equation please I am just not seeing my error

I can't give you the equation, but I can point out errors you make. Why don't you write out the conservation of energy equation in symbols and I'll verify it for you. Then we can look at the numbers.
 
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Nevermind I put 8.3 instead of 8.5 THANK YOU FOR THE HELP!
 
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No problem. Glad to help.
 

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