What is the speed of the second stage after separation?

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The problem involves a two-stage rocket and the dynamics of its separation, focusing on the speed of the second stage after the first stage is released. The context includes concepts of momentum conservation and relative velocities.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation of momentum but questions the correctness of their result. Some participants highlight the significance of relative speed in the problem, while others explore the implications of the first stage's motion post-separation.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions about relative velocities and the implications for momentum conservation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the velocities involved, but no consensus has been reached on the final speed of the second stage.

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There is a noted emphasis on the relative speed of the first stage to the second stage, which may affect the calculations. The original poster's result does not align with the textbook answer, prompting further discussion.

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Homework Statement


A two-stage rocket is traveling at 1192.0 m/s with respect to the Earth when the first stage runs out of fuel. Explosive bolts release the first stage and push it backward with a speed of 32.4 m/s relative to the second stage. The first stage is 2.00 times as massive as the second stage. What is the speed of the second stage after the separation?

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Conversation of momentum.

The Attempt at a Solution


I first set the second stage's mass as "m". The mass of the first stage then would be "2m" and the total rocket would have a mass of "3m".
Using the conservation of momentum I made an equation:
momentum of first stage+momentum of second stage= momentum of the rocket
(-32.4)*(2m) + v(m) = 1192(3m)

the m's cancel out and I solved for v:
3,640.8 m/s

however this does not match the answer in my textbook... :/

Thanks in advanced.
 
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push it backward with a speed of 32.4 m/s relative to the second stage.
Note the word "relative". It is highly significant!
 
Wow,
I didn't catch that...
Does that mean then the first stage of the rocket is still moving up, just at a slower speed than the second stage? (1192-32.4=speed of first stage)?
And since the first stage is "slowing down", if momentum is conserved the second stage should "speed up"?
 
It means that, if v1 is the fist stage's velocity, v2 the secondstage,
then we have the equation:
v_{1}-v_{2}=-34m/s\to{v}_{1}=v_{2}-34m/s
Thus, energy conservation becomes:
(2m)(v_{2}-34)+mv_{2}=(3m)1192
Solving for v2, we get:
3mv_{2}=m(3*1192+2*34),
which you can manage on your own.
And yes, the other stage will still be moving upwards, at approximately 1181m/s
 
Ah.
Thank you very much for your help.
 

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