What is the Speed v2 of the Mouse and the 0.25-kg Cart?

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The problem involves a 0.038-kg mouse on a 0.35-kg cart that jumps to a second cart with a mass of 0.25 kg. The initial state has both carts at rest, and after the jump, the first cart moves with a speed of v1=0.86 m/s. The objective is to determine the speed v2 of the mouse and the second cart after the jump.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss whether the scenario represents an elastic collision and question the implications of the carts not sticking together. There is uncertainty about the conservation of kinetic energy and whether it applies in this case. Some participants suggest considering other conservation laws, while others explore the nature of the collision as potentially inelastic.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the collision dynamics. There is a focus on identifying the relevant conservation laws that apply to the system, particularly in the absence of external forces. Some guidance has been provided regarding the nature of the collisions involved.

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Participants note that the scenario involves multiple interactions, including a push-off from the first cart and a subsequent collision with the second cart. The frictionless nature of the track is also mentioned as a factor influencing the conservation laws applicable to the system.

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Homework Statement


A 0.038-kg pet lab mouse sits on a 0.35-kg air-track cart, as shown in (Figure 1) . The cart is at rest, as is a second cart with a mass of 0.25 kg. The lab mouse now jumps to the second cart. After the jump, the 0.35-kg cart has a speed of v1=0.86m/s.

What is the speed v2 of the mouse and the 0.25-kg cart?
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Homework Equations


1/2m1v02=1/2m1v1,f2+1/2m2v2,f2

The Attempt at a Solution


I don't know where to start. I am assuming this is an elastic collision since the carts don't stick together after the collision. Would I use the equation listed above? I just don't know how to start
 
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I don't know if 'not sticking together' ensures an elastic collision ...

And if the speeds beforehand were zero, then afterwards they must be zero too ?
Do you think there is conservation of kinetic energy in this case ?
What about the work mickey mouse does when kicking away the 0.35 kg block ?

Know any other conservation laws ? (in fact, one other is already enough...:smile: )
 
The mouse "sticks" to the second cart, so at least part of the scenario involves a collision that is not an elastic one.

What conservation law does your relevant equation express? Is there another quantity that's conserved that might be a better choice for the overall scenario?Edit: Ah! BvU got there before me!
 
gneill said:
The mouse "sticks" to the second cart, so at least part of the scenario involves a collision that is not an elastic one.

What conservation law does your relevant equation express? Is there another quantity that's conserved that might be a better choice for the overall scenario?Edit: Ah! BvU got there before me!

Is the collision inelastic then?
 
I'm confused.
 
Angela_vaal said:
Is the collision inelastic then?
It's not a single collision scenario. The mouse pushes off the first cart with what might be interpreted as an inelastic collision in reverse (separation instead of joining) and then collides with and sticks to the second cart in another inelastic collision.

The good news is that one conservation law covers the whole process from start to finish.
 
And what is this conservation law?
 
Angela_vaal said:
Is the collision inelastic then?
You should never assume collisions are elastic without good reason. If you can solve without that assumption, do so.
As others have told you, there is another conservation law available. You must have been taught it. It applies to a system (two carts plus mouse in this case) provided there are no external forces acting on the system in the direction of interest. Since the track is frictionless, there are no external horizontal forces on that system, so the law applies in that direction.
 

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