What is the Spring Constant of a Gun Fired Ball?

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The problem involves a spring-loaded gun that fires a ball at an angle, requiring the calculation of the spring constant based on the ball's trajectory and range. The context includes concepts from mechanics, specifically projectile motion and energy conservation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the spring's compression and the energy transferred to the ball. There are attempts to derive equations for horizontal and vertical motion, and questions arise about how to solve for time and velocity.

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Some participants are exploring the equations of motion and attempting substitutions to find the spring constant. There is acknowledgment of a potential error in the setup of the equations, and guidance has been offered to correct the approach. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correct value of the spring constant yet.

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Participants note the need for a second equation to solve for the unknowns and discuss the implications of directionality in the equations of motion. There is a mention of a discrepancy between calculated and expected values for the spring constant.

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Homework Statement



A spring loaded gun fires a 0.56g ball at an angle of 45 degrees from a horizontal lab bench at a height of 1.30m. The ball strikes the floor 5.64m horizontally (range) from the point of release. If the spring is compressed by 6.50 cm, what is the gun's spring constant

Homework Equations



1/2kx^2

1/2mv^2

The Attempt at a Solution



The final step is to sub the values for 1/2mv^2 = 1/2kx^2 and find the value for k.

Here's my diagram

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9712/diagramu.jpg

Cos 45 = Vx/V1
Vx = cos 45(v1)

Vx = Dx/t
(cos45)(v1) = dx/t
v1 = dx/(cos 45)t

From here I need to solve for time, but i have no idea how to
 
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Cos 45 = Vx/V1
Vx = cos 45(v1)

Vx = Dx/t
(cos45)(v1) = dx/t
v1 = dx/(cos 45)t

From here I need to solve for time, but i have no idea how to

You cannot, you have two unknowns: v1 and t.
You need a second equation and this may be the equation of motion for the vertical (y) axis.
 
dy = (vy)(t) + (.5)(a)(t)
1.3 = v1(sin 45)t + .5(9.8)t^2

from here can I just sub in v1=dx/cos 45(t)?

If I do, I get the spring constant to be 9 (correct answer is 6) ;/
 
boogaaaaa said:
dy = (vy)(t) + (.5)(a)(t)
1.3 = v1(sin 45)t + .5(9.8)t^2

from here can I just sub in v1=dx/cos 45(t)?

If I do, I get the spring constant to be 9 (correct answer is 6) ;/

You are on the right track but your equation is not quite correct.
v1 is upward and the acceleration is downward so you need a minus sign there.
The complete equation would be
y=y0+volt-1/2 gt^2
with yo=1.3 and y=0 at t (final time), positive direction upward and origin at ground level.
 
Ok thank you, I got it now
 

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