What Is the Structure of Left Ideals in Simple Rings?

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The discussion revolves around the structure of left ideals in simple rings, specifically focusing on the form of left ideals in the ring of matrices over division rings. Participants explore the implications of having zero columns in matrices and the conditions under which certain left ideals can be generated.

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  • One participant questions the claim from Wikipedia that every left ideal in M(n,D) can be expressed in terms of zero columns, providing a counterexample with a specific matrix.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the significance of zero columns in defining left ideals, suggesting that independent columns might also be important.
  • A different participant proposes that for any left ideal, there exists a unique vector subspace such that the ideal can be characterized by matrices that annihilate this subspace.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the relationship between the row space of matrices in the ideal and the subspace that corresponds to zero columns.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of zero columns in defining left ideals, with some supporting the Wikipedia claim and others challenging it. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of independent columns versus zero columns.

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Participants reference specific examples and properties of matrices, but there are unresolved assumptions about the definitions of ideals and the implications of matrix structure that may affect the conclusions drawn.

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I read the following on the wikipedia page about simple rings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_ring):
Let D be a division ring and M(n,D) be the ring of matrices with entries in D. It is not hard to show that every left ideal in M(n,D) takes the following form:

{M ∈ M(n,D) | The n1...nk-th columns of M have zero entries},

for some fixed {n1,...,nk} ⊂ {1, ..., n}.

I do not see why this is the case. Take the ring of 3 by 3 matrices over the real numbers and the left ideal, J, generated by:

<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp;1 &amp;1\\<br /> 0 &amp;0 &amp;0\\<br /> 0 &amp;0 &amp;0<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />

then J is not equal to S = {M ∈ M(3,ℝ) | The 1st column of M has zero entries},
since for example the following matrix is in S but not in J:

<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp;1 &amp;0\\<br /> 0 &amp;0 &amp;1\\<br /> 0 &amp;0 &amp;0<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />

Can anybody help me understand what the wikipedia page is trying to say, or where I am seeing things wrong?
 
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This is a bit earlier on the same wikipedia page:
the full matrix ring over a field does not have any nontrivial ideals (since any ideal of M(n,R) is of the form M(n,I) with I and ideal of R), but has nontrivial left ideals (namely, the sets of matrices which have some fixed zero columns).

Can somebody shed some light on what is so important about these zero columns? I would think that the number of independent columns is important. I just do not see why zero columns are necessary at all.

Isn't the ideal generated by the following matrix, without any zero columns, also a nontrivial left ideal:

<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1 &amp;1 \\<br /> 0 &amp;0 \\<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />
 
I think you can show that for any left ideal I there is a unique vector subspace L of \mathbf{R}^n such that I=\{A\in I:\,AL=0\}. Then, for any k-dimensional subspace of \mathbf{R}^n you can choose a basis such that the first k vectors are in L. This will put your ideal into a canonical form that you are looking form .

For your matrix

A=\begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1 &amp;1 \\<br /> 0 &amp;0 \\<br /> \end{pmatrix}

SAS^{-1}=\begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1 &amp;0 \\<br /> 1 &amp;0 \\<br /> \end{pmatrix}
where
S=\begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1 &amp;1 \\<br /> 1 &amp;-1 \\<br /> \end{pmatrix}

But I am not an expert.
 
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arkajad said:
I think you can show that for any left ideal I there is a unique vector subspace L of \mathbf{R}^n such that I=\{A\in I:\,AL=0\}.

Yes, I see that there is a subspace of \mathbf{R}^n that is contained in the kernel of every M ∈ I. This subspace is the orthogonal complement of the row space of matrix A ∈ I that has maximum number of independent rows.

arkajad said:
Then, for any k-dimensional subspace of \mathbf{R}^n you can choose a basis such that the first k vectors are in L. This will put your ideal into a canonical form that you are looking form .

Ah yes I guess that was the idea: on an appropriate basis there will be zero columns.

Thank you very much.
 
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