What is the threshold velocity for using the relativistic energy equation?

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The discussion revolves around the threshold velocity for using the relativistic energy equation in the context of kinetic energy calculations. The original poster questions at what velocity the relativistic expression becomes necessary, specifically asking if 1000000 m/s is sufficient to warrant its use.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the gamma factor and velocity, questioning how significantly gamma deviates from 1 at the specified speed. There are attempts to clarify when the relativistic expression should be applied based on the behavior of gamma.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the gamma factor's behavior at various speeds. Some participants suggest that while calculators may show gamma as 1, it does indeed differ at higher precision, prompting further exploration of the implications of this difference.

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There is an ongoing debate about what constitutes a "significant" difference in the gamma factor and how this affects the choice of kinetic energy equation. The conversation reflects varying interpretations of the threshold for relativistic effects in practical calculations.

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To calculate kinetic energy I can either use E=mv^2/2 or for higher velocities I can use E=gamma factormc^2 - mc^2.

So my question is at which velocity can I use E=gamma factormc^2 - mc^2? Is 1000000m/s a high enough velocity?

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Once ##\gamma## starts to deviate from 1 you will need the relativistic expression. Simple, isn't it ?
 
yes thanks a lot!
 
Just to get an idea: how much does ##\gamma## differ from 1 at the speed you mentioned ?
 
I checked it and it doesn't differ :P
 
But it does differ! perhaps not on a cheap calculator, but ##\gamma = 1.0000055556... \ne 1 ## :smile:
What you mean is that it doesn't differ significantly...
 
yes well my graph calculator show that the gamma factor is equal to one :) But I get the idea
 
Sometimes helping the calculator a little by hand is more accurate: $$
\gamma = {1\over \sqrt {1-\beta^2}} \approx 1+{1\over 2} \beta^2 \, , $$ in your case ##1+ {1\over 2}{1\over 300^2} = 1+ 1/180000 \ne 1 ##
 
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BvU said:
Once ##\gamma## starts to deviate from 1 you will need the relativistic expression. Simple, isn't it ?

Actually, the issue is whether ##\gamma## differs significantly from ##1 + \frac{1}{c^2} \frac{1}{2} v^2##, or whether ##c^2 (\gamma - 1)## differs significantly from ##v^2/2##. For lab-scale speeds, ##\gamma## will hardly ever differ "significantly" from 1.
 

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