What Is the Time Dilation Formula and How Does Speed Affect Time?

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The discussion revolves around the time dilation formula in the context of special relativity, particularly how speed affects the perception of time for objects moving at relativistic speeds. Participants explore implications for both travelers and observers, as well as the philosophical considerations regarding the experience of time for light itself.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the time dilation formula and explains that as speed approaches the speed of light, time slows down for the moving object compared to stationary observers.
  • The same participant questions whether it takes no time for a photon to travel across the universe from its own perspective.
  • Another participant suggests that the FAQ in the Relativity forum may provide relevant insights regarding transformations to the photon's frame.
  • A later reply reiterates the time dilation concept and discusses the implications of traveling at high speeds, suggesting that it is theoretically possible for a traveler to reach another star and survive, despite traveling slower than light.
  • This reply also emphasizes that while a photon's proper time is "frozen," it is misleading to conclude that nothing happens for a photon, as standard definitions of time do not apply at that limit.
  • The same reply notes that the distance for a photon from one end of the universe to the other is also zero, leading to an undefined speed, which is described as not meaningful.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various interpretations of the time dilation effect and its implications, particularly regarding the experience of time for light. There is no consensus on the philosophical implications of a photon's experience of time, indicating ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in applying standard definitions of time and distance at relativistic speeds, particularly concerning the frame of reference for light.

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The time dilation formula:
\Delta t'=\frac{\Delta t}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v²}{c²}}}
says that the closer you come to the speed of light the slower time goes (for the object in movement).

That mean if you travel to a distant star in very high speed, there will take shorter time to get there (for the traveler, not for the observers back at earth) than if you travel at lower speed.

Does that mean that it takes no time at all for light (a photon) to travel from one side of the universe to the other? (for the photon, not us the observers)
 
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Please read the FAQ subforum in the Relativity forum. The topic on whether one can transform to the photon's frame will be relevant.

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Jaynte said:
The time dilation formula:
\Delta t'=\frac{\Delta t}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v²}{c²}}}
says that the closer you come to the speed of light the slower time goes (for the object in movement).

That mean if you travel to a distant star in very high speed, there will take shorter time to get there (for the traveler, not for the observers back at earth) than if you travel at lower speed.

Does that mean that it takes no time at all for light (a photon) to travel from one side of the universe to the other? (for the photon, not us the observers)

Yes indeed, thanks to that effect it should be possible, in principle, to reach another star and still be alive when you get there, despite the fact that you traveled at less than the speed of light.

Now, material objects such as clocks come to a stand-still when approaching the speed of light; and we define "time" by means of such clocks. In that sense, indeed, the photon's "proper" time is frozen. But it would be a mistake to interpret this to mean that for a photon nothing happens, or other philosophical conclusions like that. It just happens that we cannot use our standard definitions and concepts at that limit.

In particular, for that same photon the distance from one end of the universe to the other is also zero. Thus we get that its speed is v=c= 0/0; and that is not very meaningful. :wink:

Cheers,
Harald
 
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Now i see :) thanx
 

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