What is the Time Ordered Data set for CMB polarization?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of CMB (Cosmic Microwave Background) polarization, specifically focusing on the T-mode polarization and the Time Ordered Data set associated with CMB measurements. Participants explore various aspects of CMB polarization, including E-modes, B-modes, and the representation of temperature distributions in the context of CMB data.

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Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 mentions that DASI first detected CMB polarization and CBI provided the first E-mode polarization spectrum, noting that it is out of phase with the T-mode spectrum.
  • Post 1 expresses a desire for clarification on T-mode polarization, indicating a lack of information found in existing discussions.
  • Post 2 suggests that T refers to temperature anisotropy of the CMB, clarifying that it is not commonly referred to as 't-mode polarization' and references a specific page in the cited article for further explanation.
  • Post 3 seeks clarification on how the CMB temperature distribution is represented and inquires about online databases or resources for accessing this data.
  • Post 3 also questions how perturbations in the CMB data are calculated, speculating on methods such as 2D Fourier coefficients or correlation coefficients.
  • Post 4 proposes that the Time Ordered Data set is what the original poster is looking for and mentions the importance of data cleaning to remove various distortions before analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding T-mode polarization and its terminology. There is no consensus on the existence or common usage of 't-mode polarization,' and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of T-mode and its implications.

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Limitations include the potential confusion surrounding the terminology of T-mode polarization and the lack of clarity on the representation of CMB temperature distributions and perturbation calculations. The discussion also highlights the need for cleaned data in CMB analysis.

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Individuals interested in cosmology, particularly those studying CMB polarization, data representation, and analysis methods in astrophysics.

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The Wikipedia article
says
DASI first detected the CMB polarization, and CBI provided the first E-mode polarization spectrum with compelling evidence that it is out of phase with the T-mode spectrum.​
A footnote [48] leads to
which says
Ground-based interferometers provided fluctuation measurements with higher accuracy, including the Very Small Array, the Degree Angular Scale Interferometer (DASI) and the Cosmic Background Imager (CBI). DASI first detected the CMB polarization,[46][47] and CBI provided the first E-mode polarization spectrum with compelling evidence that it is out of phase with the T-mode spectrum.[48]
Another Wikipedia article
says
E-modes
E-modes were first seen in 2002 by the Degree Angular Scale Interferometer (DASI).
B-modes
Cosmologists predict two types of B-modes, the first generated during https://www.physicsforums.com/javascript:void(0) shortly after the big bang,[57][58][59] and the second generated by gravitational lensing at later times.[60]

I was able to find some discussions about E-mode, M-mode, and B-mode, but nothing about T-mode.

I would appreciate any information which would help me understand what T-mode polarization is.
 
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You have apparently been victimized by a typical triki-wiki ploy. T is in reference to the temperature anisotropy of the CMB. This is discussed on page 5 of reference 48 in the wiki article... "A given correlator output sample, or visibility, can be one of the four polarization products RR, RL, LR, or LL. These can be related to the fundamental CMB polarization modes T (temperature), E, and B (polarization) (37)." The wording is admittedly a bit confusing implying there is something called the temperature polarization mode T, but, if such a thing actually exists, it is not commonly referred to as 't-mode polarization'. To see a depiction of the various CMB anisotropy measurements, including T, E and B, see Figure 1 on p3 of https://arxiv.org/pdf/1210.6008.pdf. Hope this helps.
 
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Hi @Chronos:

Thank you for posting the reference. I have been trying to to gain some understanding from it, but it is hard work. There are two things in particular which I think I am able to understand, but I cannot find it in the cited article.

1. How is the CMB temperature distribution over the sky represented? Is there some online database of this information that I might be able to access? I am envisioning some table of temperature values, or delta values with respect to the overall average temperature, organized by some sort of longitude and latitude with respect to some chosen equator and prime meridian.

2. I did not understand how the perturbations are calculated. I am envisioning some kind of 2D Fourier coefficient calculations, or possibly correlation coefficients. Do you know of any reference that describes the perturbation calculation methods used to derive results from the CMB temperature distribution data?

I am looking forward to whatever help you can give me.

Regards,
Buzz
 
You are probably looking for the Time Ordered Data set, as discussed here http://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/cmb/pipeline.html. I'm unsure where this might be available, but, assume some diligent searching could probably turn some of it up. Of course this data has been 'cleaned', a vital step in its compilation. Nobody really wants to see data warped by galactic synchrotron radiation, point source contributions, or Doppler drift due to where the antenna is pointed relative to its direction of motion.
 
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