What is the transitivity of the complex orthogonal group on generalized spheres?

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The discussion revolves around the action of the complex (special) orthogonal group on generalized spheres in complex space, specifically \(\mathbb{C}^n\). Participants explore whether the action is transitive on these spheres, drawing comparisons to the real case and addressing complexities introduced by the nature of complex numbers.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that in the real case, the action of the orthogonal group is transitive on spheres, but question whether this holds in the complex case due to the nature of the sum of squares being a complex number.
  • One participant suggests that the zero sphere in two dimensions is not connected, which implies that the action cannot be transitive, as the complex orthogonal group is connected.
  • Another participant proposes that the action of the whole orthogonal group, \(O(n,C)\), might be transitive, but seeks confirmation and proof of this claim.
  • There is a suggestion that the action of \(SO(C,2)\) is transitive on the components of the zero sphere separately, but reflections from \(O(n,C)\) are needed to connect these components.
  • One participant describes a method to show local transitivity on spheres of non-zero radius but expresses uncertainty about adapting this method to the zero sphere.
  • Another participant discusses the structure of the zero sphere, suggesting it consists of two disconnected components in two dimensions and hints at a more complex structure in higher dimensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the transitivity of the action of the complex orthogonal group on generalized spheres, particularly regarding the zero sphere. Some agree on the disconnected nature of the zero sphere in two dimensions, while others propose that transitivity might still hold under certain conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of the zero sphere's structure and the implications for transitivity, particularly in higher dimensions. There are unresolved questions about the nature of paths connecting components and the overall topology of the spaces involved.

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Readers interested in the mathematical properties of groups acting on complex spaces, particularly in the context of geometry and topology, may find this discussion relevant.

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I'm wondering about the action of the complex (special) orthogonal group on \mathbb{C}^n. In the real case, we can use a (real) orthogonal matrix to rotate any (real) vector into some standard vector, say (a,0,0,...,0), where a>0 is equal to the norm of the vector. In other words, the action is transitive on each sphere.

I'm wondering if something similar holds in the complex case. Clearly, this action preserves the sum of the squares of the components of a vector, but this quantity is now a general complex number (possibly even zero). Still, we can define a generalized "sphere" of radius (squared) z, some complex z, which is the set of all vectors for which the sum of the squares of the components is z, and ask if the action is transitive on these spheres. Note the sphere corresponding to z=0 has no non-trivial representative of the form (a,0,0,...,0), so things are going to be a little different than the real case.

The fact that the sum of squares does not define a norm here gets in the way of repeating the obvious proof for the real case. I think I have a roundabout proof of transitivity for spheres of non-zero radius, but things are stranger when the radius is zero. For example, for n=2, the zero sphere is the set of points (z,iz) and (z,-iz), for z non-zero, which is not connected, and so clearly the action can't be transitive (since SO(n,C) is connected). Does anyone know what's going on here?
 
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Are you sure it's the special orthogonal group you're interested in, and not the special unitary group?
 
Yes, it's because it's the complexification of the real orthogonal group. I realize things would be basically the same as the real case if it was the unitary group I wanted.
 
It's hard to visualize, but I bet the whole thing looks a lot like the Minkowski plane. Recall there that the orbits under the action of the Lorentz group are generally rectilinear hyperbolic arcs centered at the origin, and opening either up, right, down, or left. (And these are precisely the "circles" under the Minkowski metric)

However, you also have the degenerate cases of the two diagonal lines. I believe these constitute 5 more orbits: one orbit is the origin, and the other four are the rays.
 
StatusX said:
I'm wondering about the action of the complex (special) orthogonal group on \mathbb{C}^n. In the real case, we can use a (real) orthogonal matrix to rotate any (real) vector into some standard vector, say (a,0,0,...,0), where a>0 is equal to the norm of the vector. In other words, the action is transitive on each sphere.
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For example, for n=2, the zero sphere is the set of points (z,iz) and (z,-iz), for z non-zero, which is not connected, and so clearly the action can't be transitive (since SO(n,C) is connected). Does anyone know what's going on here?

But the action of the whole orthogonal group, O(n,C), is transitive, yes?
 
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But the action of the whole orthogonal group, O(n,C), is transitive, yes?

I don't know, is it? Do you have a proof?

My idea was to show first that the action is transitive locally, that is, that you can find an infinitessimal orthogonal transformation to move you in any direction along the sphere. Explicitly, this involves taking any vector a, and a perpendicular vector b that represents the direction of motion, and finding an antisymmetric matrix A that takes a to b. A good choice is A = (b aT- a bT)/( aT a), but this only works for non-zero radius. Then it only remains to show the spheres are connected, which can be done with a proof similar to the real case: take a straight line path between two points on the sphere, make sure it avoids zero (acutally, in this case, make sure it avoids the zero sphere, which is a little harder, but still seems possible), and then project it onto the sphere. But this method seems completely unadaptable to the zero sphere.

As for what exactly the zero sphere is, it's clear it consists of vectors of the form:

(z_1, z_2,...,z_{n-1}, \pm i \sqrt{ {z_1}^2 + ... + {z_{n-1}}^2 } )

In 2 dimensions, this is not connected (unless you include zero), and in higher dimensions, it seems to consist of two copies of \mathbb{C}^{n-1} glued together at their own zero spheres (since this is where the last coordinate is degenerate). It's interesting to note the similarity of this to the inductive definition of the ordinary sphere in terms of gluing along lower dimensional spheres, but I'm still a little lost on what these spaces look like.
 
The action of SO(C,2) is transitive on each of the components (z,iz) and (z,-iz) separately. To move between the components you take the matrix

\left(\begin{matrix}1 & 0 \\ 0 & -1\end{matrix}\right)

which belongs to O(2,C).

A quick generalization of this would be that the action of SO(n,C) is transitive on each connected component. To also get transitivity between components you need the reflections in O(n,C).
 
I'm pretty sure it's only disconnected in 2 dimensions: for example, to get from (a,b,i \sqrt{a^2+b^2}) to (a,b,-i \sqrt{a^2+b^2}), use a path from (a,b) to a non-zero point (c,d) with c^2+d^2=0, which allows you to pass from one sheet to the other without hitting zero. But I'm still not sure about transitivity.
 

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