Understanding the fundamental theorem of algebra

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The discussion centers around the fundamental theorem of algebra, particularly focusing on the existence of roots for complex polynomials. Participants explore the theorem's implications, proofs, and specific formulations related to polynomial equations, including the use of topological arguments and induction.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the fundamental theorem of algebra and its assertion that a complex polynomial of degree n has at least one root, proposing a topological argument for its proof.
  • Another participant questions the reasoning behind the assumption that the angle θ changes while the radius r remains fixed when identifying roots of the polynomial.
  • Several participants discuss the formula ## p(z) - p(z_{1}) = \sum\limits_{k=1}^n a_{k}(z^k - z_{1}^k) ##, with differing interpretations of its derivation and implications.
  • One participant suggests that the only solution for the equation derived from the polynomial is ## z_{1} ##, raising concerns about the existence of the remaining n - 1 solutions.
  • Another participant clarifies that the roots cannot all be the same distance from the origin, challenging the assumption that r can be fixed for all roots.
  • A participant proposes an inductive approach to proving the theorem, suggesting that if a polynomial has one root, it can be factored to show that the remaining polynomial also has roots.

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Participants express various interpretations and approaches to the fundamental theorem of algebra, indicating that multiple competing views remain. There is no consensus on the specific derivations or implications of the discussed formulas.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty regarding the assumptions made in the derivations, particularly about the fixed nature of r and its implications for the roots of the polynomial. Additionally, there are unresolved questions about the induction step in the proof and the interpretation of the polynomial's structure.

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Dear all,
I am trying to understand the fundamental theorem of algebra from the text (Alan F. Beardon, Algebra and Geometry) attached in this post. I have understood till the first two attachments and my question is from the 3rd attachment onwards.

I will briefly describe what is said in the first two attachments. In the first two attachments, it is stated that for a nth order complex polynomial like
## p(z) = a_{0} + a_{1}z + ... + a_{n}z^n ##
there are n distinct complex solutions.

The fundamental theorem of Algebra proves this fact. It also says that this same equation can be written in another format like

## p(z) = a_{n}(z - z_{1}) ... (z - z_{n}) ##

so that each z1, z2, ..., zn are complex solutions.

We start off by saying that a complex polynomial like ## p(z) ## has at least a single root.
We will use topological arguments to prove this.

If ## p(z) ## as in the first equation above were written in complex form with z substituted by ## z = re^{iθ} ## it would be

## p(z) = a_{0} + (a_{1}r^{iθ}) + (a_{2}r^2e^{i2θ}) + ... + (a_{n}r^ne^{inθ}) ##

In the above equation ## a_{0} ## is a non-zero term so that p(0) is not 0 but why z=0 be a root?
If r value in ## re^{iθ} ## is very big then the ##(a_{n}r^ne^{inθ}) ## term will dominate and it will be a big circle that has rotated n times. if the r value is small then the constant ## a_{0} ## term will dominate. and the small r will form a small circle around it as shown in the second figure in the second attachment.

Now, If the radius, r increases gradually every 0 to 2pi rotation. For some r and θ, p(z) will intersect the origin, 0 + 0i.

This will be the first root of p(z). I see that the magnitude of the origin from ## a_{0} ## will be fixed and the only changes are going to be in the angle θ. so the next solutions will be the angle at which p(z) intersects the 2nd time, 3rd time and so on. So r is fixed and only θ changes for each root? Am I right about this??

Next, in the 3rd paragraph of the third attachment. We use proof by induction to show that if there is one root for n = 1. then there are roots from 1 to n for n > 1. Right??

n = 1 is the anchor step. It is correct when we substitute in p(z) = 0 below.

## p(z) = a_{0} + (a_{1}r^{iθ}) = a_{n}(z - z_{1}) ##

so the single solution for n =1 must be ## r^{iθ} = - a_{0} / a_{1} ## similarly ## z = z_{1} ## from above equation.

by putting n = n + 1, we must show that the R.H.S = L.H.S in Induction step of the proof but I don't know how to do it. :( can anyone show me?? thanks..

How did they arrive at the formula ## p(z) - p(z_{1}) = \sum\limits_{k=1}^n a_{k}(z^k - z_{1}^k) ##

In the above equation, z_{1} is the first root of p(z) when n = 1 so why is it in the above equation??

Danke..
 

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PcumP_Ravenclaw said:
How did they arrive at the formula ## p(z) - p(z_{1}) = \sum\limits_{k=1}^n a_{k}(z^k - z_{1}^k) ##
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You can rewrite the right hand side as ## \sum\limits_{k=1}^n a_{k}(z^k) - \sum\limits_{k=1}^n a_{k}(z_{1}^k)##
 
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so This is equivalent to ## p(z) = p(z_{1}) + \sum\limits_{k=1}^n a_{k}(z^k) - \sum\limits_{k=1}^n a_{k}(z_{1}^k) ##. When this equation is compared with ## p(z) = a_{0} + a_{1}z + ... + a_{n}z^n ## The term ## a_{0} ## equals ##p(z_{1}) - \sum\limits_{k=1}^n a_{k}(z_{1}^k)## and the terms ## a_{1}z + ... + a_{n}z^n ## equals ## \sum\limits_{k=1}^n a_{k}(z^k) ## ?
 
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so This is equivalent to ## p(z) = p(z_{1}) + \sum\limits_{k=1}^n a_{k}(z^k) - \sum\limits_{k=1}^n a_{k}(z_{1}^k) ##. When this equation is compared with ## p(z) = a_{0} + a_{1}z + ... + a_{n}z^n ## The term ## a_{0} ## equals ##p(z_{1}) - \sum\limits_{k=1}^n a_{k}(z_{1}^k)## and the terms ## a_{1}z + ... + a_{n}z^n ## equals ## \sum\limits_{k=1}^n a_{k}(z^k) ## ?

Yes you are correct . But more simply, the ## a_{0}'s## cancel and you are just left with the difference of terms of degree 1 and higher.

Notice that the right hand side has a factor of ##z-z_{1}##
 
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PcumP_Ravenclaw said:
it is stated that for a nth order complex polynomial like
## p(z) = a_{0} + a_{1}z + ... + a_{n}z^n ##
there are n distinct complex solutions.

It doesn't say "distinct".
 
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I scribbled some numbers and tried to understand the connection between
## p(z) = a_{0} + a_{1}z + ... + a_{n}z^n ## and ## p(z) = p(z_{1}) + \sum\limits_{k=1}^n a_{k}(z^k) - \sum\limits_{k=1}^n a_{k}(z_{1}^k) ## . I have attached my work in this post. So it seems to me that the only solution for ## p(z) - p(z_{1}) = \sum\limits_{k=1}^n a_{k}(z^k - z_{1}^k) ## is ## z_{1} ##. what about the remaining n - 1 solutions??
 

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Once you factor out ## z - z_{1}## , ## a_{1} ## will be a constant
 
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PcumP_Ravenclaw said:
## p(z) = a_{0} + a_{1}r^{iθ} + a_{2}r^2e^{i2θ} + ... + a_{n}r^ne^{inθ}##

In the above equation ##a_{0}## is a non-zero term so that p(0) is not 0 but why z=0 be a root?
If r value in re^{iθ} is very big then the (anrneinθ)(a_{n}r^ne^{inθ}) term will dominate and it will be a big circle that has rotated n times. if the r value is small then the constant a0 a_{0} term will dominate. and the small r will form a small circle around it as shown in the second figure in the second attachment.

Now, If the radius, r increases gradually every 0 to 2pi rotation. For some r and θ, p(z) will intersect the origin, 0 + 0i.

This will be the first root of p(z). I see that the magnitude of the origin from a0 a_{0} will be fixed and the only changes are going to be in the angle θ. so the next solutions will be the angle at which p(z) intersects the 2nd time, 3rd time and so on. So r is fixed and only θ changes for each root? Am I right about this??
 
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PcumP_Ravenclaw said:
## p(z) = a_{0} + a_{1}r^{iθ} + a_{2}r^2e^{i2θ} + ... + a_{n}r^ne^{inθ}##
In the above equation ##a_{0}## is a non-zero term so that p(0) is not 0 but why z=0 be a root?
Why do you think that z = 0 should be a root?
 
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PcumP_Ravenclaw said:
This will be the first root of p(z). I see that the magnitude of the origin from ## a_{0} ## will be fixed and the only changes are going to be in the angle θ. so the next solutions will be the angle at which p(z) intersects the 2nd time, 3rd time and so on. So r is fixed and only θ changes for each root? Am I right about this??
No. Remember that ##r## is the modulus of ##z##. If ##r## were fixed, that means all of the roots would be the same distance from the origin. Clearly, that can't be true in general, e.g., p(z) = (z-2)(z-1).

Suppose you let ##p(z) = a_0 + q(z)##. For every root of p(z), it's must be that ##q(z)=-a_0##. So, for instance, ##q(z_1) = q(r_1e^{i\theta_1})=-a_0## and ##q(z_2) = q(r_2 e^{i\theta_2}) = -a_0##. It doesn't follow, however, that ##r_1 = r_2##. You've confused ##\|q(z)\|##, which is fixed for all the roots of p(z), with ##r=\|z\|##.

How did they arrive at the formula ## p(z) - p(z_{1}) = \sum\limits_{k=1}^n a_{k}(z^k - z_{1}^k) ##
I'm not sure you understood what lavinia said in post 4. You have
\begin{align*}
p(z) &= a_0 + a_1 z + \cdots + a_n z^n \\
p(z_1) &= a_0 + a_1 z_1 + \cdots + a_n z_1^n
\end{align*} What do you get when you subtract the second equation from the first?
 
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If you start out with the fact that every complex polynomial has at least a single root (say z = a0), then you can rewrite your polynomial p(z) as (z - a0)*p1(z), where the degree of p1 is one less than the degree of p. Now p1 is also a polynomial and will therefore have at least a single root (say z = a1). Continue this argument until the resulting pn has degree 1, and the theorem is proved.
 
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PcumP_Ravenclaw said:
Dear all,
I am trying to understand the fundamental theorem of algebra from the text (Alan F. Beardon, Algebra and Geometry) attached in this post. I have understood till the first two attachments and my question is from the 3rd attachment onwards.

I will briefly describe what is said in the first two attachments. In the first two attachments, it is stated that for a nth order complex polynomial like
## p(z) = a_{0} + a_{1}z + ... + a_{n}z^n ##
there are n distinct complex solutions.
Was this typo? While any nth degree polynomial equation has n complex solutions, in general they are NOT all distinct.
 

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