What is the Ultimate Meaninglessness of Life?

[bchmtnedisto]

Hint, hint.

lol,
hey, it's a big question,lol

 

[nannoh]

lol,
hey, it's a big question,lol

Someone on this site hypothesised that the purpose of life was to eventually, through evolutionary process, provide a biological form of consciousness for the entire universe.
Mind you, we have yet to prove that there is life anywhere other than here on Earth.

 

[bchmtnedisto]

and so by that you mean it'll be an even longer post once we prove life elsewhere?lol

 

[nannoh]

and so by that you mean it'll be an even longer post once we prove life elsewhere?lol

Hasn't the Mars expedition found some kind of primal life form or fossils yet?

NASA is probably suppressing most of that info in order to save space on the PhysicsForum site..

 

[alexsok]

Guys, I really appreciate your input but I'm still completely loyal to my first post, and since I've just woken up, i'd say that I'm not emotional nor logical right now, I am "neutral" :)

Even if each of us would be god, capable of creating their own universes, replete with an endless amount of stars and space stretching into infinity (would anyone actually do that? ) and populate every planet with trillions upon trillions of people (obviously your star-creation capabilities would be absolutely limitless hehe) and then, per one's desire, be able to embed himself in every person and live his life for eons to come, would any of you guys do that? Would that have a meaning?

What I'm trying to say is that as long as we remain humans, the question of meaning will always be relevant, to some more (ahem *me* ahem) to others less (and which one is better is for anyone to decide for him/herself).

I see no way out of this vicious cycle guys other than say "screw with everything and enjoy life" cause I'm so damn positive that in a million years, unless we undergo a complete overhaul that would selectively block-out certain neurons that trigger the "meaning" question, the question will indeed remain relevant even then.

Hell even if the latest scenario unfolds, would anything change? I'm a still a microscopical speck and whatever I think has absolutely zero impact on anything but me...

 

[DannyC]

And with that said... Amen!

Great post and to what should be imo a good end to a good thread.

 

[fedorfan]

I wish I wasnt able to ask this question anymore because it just brings more unanswerable questions, like what is the point of the universe, and what is the point of the universe being so big? I believe the universe`s size and itself doesn't have a point because the big bang would have to ask the question and answer it because it created the universe. Then you may ask what is the point of the big bang, whatever created the big bang would have to ask itself that and I believe none of those things have consciousness so the question doesn't really matter. In the end, we are all microscopic specks in an endless place that has no purpose and that we won't ever be able to fully understand. Philosophically, I think math is just squiggly lines on paper that don't really tell us anything except what stuff is doing, it can't and doesn't really tell us the purpose of something, nothing can. So therefore, the question is unanswerable. But to us, I guess the point is to survive and reproduce, look what every single other animal does.

 

[bchmtnedisto]

i've got a dog that drinks beer.....



my point is there is much more we do as humans, and much more animals do too, than just reproduce.
come on fella's.slap yourselves back into reality.

there is nothing wrong with questioning why mankind is here.but there is definitely something wrong with continually asking and being consumed with "why am i here?"

 

[fedorfan]

Yeah, I agree but I mean the most basic things you should do are try to stay alive and make babies, atleast that's what I got from watching all the animals on tv. No there is not a thing wrong with questioning and wondering why were here but nothing can give us a absolute answer, like there isn't anything written down that tells us our purpose.

 

[fedorfan]

Also, I would like to say something about people not being able to comprehend the point of life, why would there even be a point of life if we couldn't comprehend it therefore we couldn't fulfill it which basically eliminates the point, what's the point of there being a point? Whats the point of that point and so on. In the end, everything is meaningless no matter what it seems like. I don't believe a higher being created us so therefore I don't believe we have a written in stone point. Like I said above, what's the point of having a point if we can't comprehend it? Theres just too many things we`ll never know.

 

[artrocket]

some things can be analyzed and comprehended, and that's why we have science. and there are some things that are yet just beyond our analysis, and would be better dealt with living, feeling and experiencing it as human beings, and that's why we have art.

 

[bchmtnedisto]

hmm,
that's a neat angle.

 

[nannoh]

there is nothing wrong with questioning why mankind is here.but there is definitely something wrong with continually asking and being consumed with "why am i here?"

What's the point of life?

To find out why I'm here.

Why am I here?

Because I'm not over there.

or

Why am I here?

There's no proof that you are here!

 

[fedorfan]

artrocket, I am saying though that if we can't comprehend and understand it then we won't be able to fulfill the point which basically eliminates the point for the point. And I don't really know what to think about science, we say there is 3 times more dimensions than we can see and all this other stuff, yet we try to understand the universe which I don't think we ever will fully and I also don't see how there could possibly be a god, there is just no proof atleast he hasnt shown us any if he is real, and it has been a long time for him to not have shown any proof so basically I have no reason to believe in god. I personally am not happy with this life`s knowledge and would actually like to die or atleast know way more than we do. But then again, what is the point for trying to understand what isn't us? We may have come from it but it is not conscious and there really is no point for trying to learn about because we won't truly understand everything and there is just no point for trying. Man, I am just ready for this existence to be over, I don't see anything happening as far as afterlife or god.

 

[fedorfan]

And also, if something will disprove god I believe it will be astronomy because the pictures I've seen of space are amazing and the telescopes may hold the key to knowing where we come from but I am just not happy with this. No I am not depressed and I am not troubled, just unhappy and unsatisfied with this life and knowledge we have. I would be fine with dying early because that way I could find out about more stuff, or go completely away from existence. But in this life, some of the things I enjoy are riding motocross, wrestling and fighting, and weed and lsd especially mixed. So, I guess Ill just have to wait to die because too many people would be disappointed if I ended my life early.

 

[artrocket]

Im saying though that if we can't comprehend and understand it then we won't be able to fulfill the point which basically eliminates the point for the point.

I have my rocket philosophy to say: "Life is energy in its eloquent patterns."

And I don't really know what to think about science, we say there is 3 times more dimensions than we can see and all this other stuff, yet we try to understand the universe which I don't think we ever will fully and I also don't see how there could possibly be a god, there is just no proof atleast he hasnt shown us any if he is real, and it has been a long time for him to not have shown any proof so basically I have no reason to believe in god. .

I prefer not to spell in 3 letters (g-o-d), it seems limiting. I would rather be continually awed by the mystery. I believe the mystery is not there to bound us, but to continually free us from any set of limitations. It gives us space to continually evolve. Why do we ask questions that already have answers? I prefer answers that unfold like questions.

I think a hindu philosophical perspective stated something like, in paraphrase, "god is a term used by mediocre minds." for you to question about god according to what others say about it, perhaps is not a sign of mediocrity.

But then again, what is the point for trying to understand what isn't us? We may have come from it but it is not conscious and there really is no point for trying to learn about because we won't truly understand everything and there is just no point for trying. Man, I am just ready for this existence to be over, I don't see anything happening as far as afterlife or god.

I believe everything will ultimately flow towards Singularity, hence the monotheistic principle that had propelled humanity to greater visions even while at its basic level.

But in this life, some of the things I enjoy are riding motocross, wrestling and fighting, and weed and lsd especially mixed.

Maybe that's something to be grateful about, whether it's a good or bad thing in life, because in other places of this planet others cannot even afford to pay for their next fare or meal, don't know how to karate (like me), or got entangled with the opium of false religious beliefs.

 

[fedorfan]

Yeah, well I am just trying to keep learning and I don't believe about the god stuff anymore because I doubt we will ever find out about it but they talk of new dimensions with the new accelerator in 07 but I see nothing happening as far as finding an almighty being or any superior consciousness for that matter. I don't believe anything will happen as far as afterlife either but I just have an urge to see what's around the corner because I've seen basically all that I want to see in this consciousness.

 

[Zelos]

the meaning of life is sex

 

[artrocket]

the meaning of life is sex

in psychoanalysis hetero and homo are both abnormal behaviors as they are both products of suppressed environments. and I guess bi is a term invented because hetero's can't understand anything without sex.

in mercantile morality, hetero is the rule because in such system as capitalism, it is one easily confined in the parametrical economic formula that: sex sells.

if in case this view seems not too comprehensible to some, it's because of materialistic ideologies ingrained in belief systems that treats science as detached to the human phenomenon that made it seem like dead science severed with living realities that disregard the evolution of Human Consciousness. logic is a very good tool, but not an institution. hence, materialism would also be considered as the opium of science.

 

[markyt]

Interesting topic. An possible analogy to what's the point in life can be seen in individual cells in the human body. They all serve an important purpose but if they could think, they would probably think they were individual entities without purpose because they couldn't see the bigger picture.

Another way to look at life is like a good meal, you can either disect and analyse it but ultimately not get what's good about it, or you can just eat it!

 

[a2tha3]

If you are attempting to suggest that life has no point, then I think you my friend, are very misguided at the moment. The point of life is to do what you got to do. If you have to be happy, then strive for happiness (isn't that what you are attempting to do anyways? By having someone prove you wrong, and hoping that you will see a point in living?)

If you are religous, what is the point of LIFE when you are promised infinite bliss in the afterlife?

If you are not religous, what is the point of LIFE when you know when it's over, it's over? No questions asked, you did what you did and no one will remember you.

If you are hell bent on this opinion that the concept of nothingness will forever cling to your psyche, then I can't do anything about it. But you can, you can go out in the world and just have a good time.. Thats what everyone wants. People have different ways to do it, like by trying to bring others down or doing drugs, but find a way that best suits you.

Im about to be cut off in mid thought because I am at school...but think about what i said.

 

[msshama]

The point of life is finding the point of life

 

[msshama]

What's the point of life?

To find out why I'm here.

Why am I here?

Because I'm not over there.

or

Why am I here?

There's no proof that you are here!

loved this
I think people are more concerned with asking questions than getting answers. And the question of the point of life cannot be answered by others because we only can fully understand the meaning of our questions so just keep looking and stop being cynical.

 

[Pythagorean]

If you are attempting to suggest that life has no point, then I think you my friend, are very misguided at the moment. The point of life is to do what you got to do. If you have to be happy, then strive for happiness (isn't that what you are attempting to do anyways? By having someone prove you wrong, and hoping that you will see a point in living?)

If you are religous, what is the point of LIFE when you are promised infinite bliss in the afterlife?

If you are not religous, what is the point of LIFE when you know when it's over, it's over? No questions asked, you did what you did and no one will remember you.

If you are hell bent on this opinion that the concept of nothingness will forever cling to your psyche, then I can't do anything about it. But you can, you can go out in the world and just have a good time.. Thats what everyone wants. People have different ways to do it, like by trying to bring others down or doing drugs, but find a way that best suits you.

Im about to be cut off in mid thought because I am at school...but think about what i said.

I don't think it's so much that people don't believe in a 'point of life' so much as they don't believe that there is a universal 'point of life'.

I think the whole concept of 'point' (assuming it's defined as 'purpose' or 'goal' here) is a human construct itself, so defining the purpose or point of anything seems to introduces subjectivity.

 

[sas3]

I look at it like this;
Because of the enormity of time/space anything we do or decide has absolutely no meaning.
However from a biological point of view we are here to propagate the species and pass on our knowledge/ideas to the next generation.
I guess what I am trying to say is just try to enjoy the ride and remember (Only one ride per customer and no skips).

 

[Evo]

I've never understood why some people need to have some artificial meaning associated with life in order for them to live. I cannot even begin to understand how these people could survive without someone to tell them how to think.

 

[Huckleberry]

I've never understood why some people need to have some artificial meaning associated with life in order for them to live. I cannot even begin to understand how these people could survive without someone to tell them how to think.

When asked 'what is the meaning of life' I can only respond by saying that I am alive and nothing can be meaningful without it.
But I guess it depends on what one's definition of is is.

 

[easyrider]

Your life has no big, glorious, religious meaning. Except it. If you want to believe then fine by me but I dont. I think were going back to the same place we were at before we were born. Enjoy the booze, women, drugs, money, fast cars, etc in the 100 years or so that you for sure have. Dont sit on your butt and fantasize about how great heaven is going to be when there probably isn't even anyone tending the light at the end of the tunnel, much less an eternal afterparty in which all is well. Give this life your best shot at making it big and having as much fun as possible, cherish every moment with your friends/family, love your girl, live every moment like its your last because it very well may be. You probably aint gone get another chance so don't regret what you did.

 

[bassplayer142]

Whether or not we know or will EVER know the meaning of life. Life shouldn't be wasted. We may not know what we are supposed to do if we are supposed to do anything. But why wouldn't we want to try to good and be remembered as someone who made a difference. I try to think of life more as a open situation compared to fate therefore I can go as far as I want. A vector instead of a scalar if you may :). You can set your own direction as you please and how far you want to go is up to you. I supposed that would be my answer to meaning of life.

 

[Holocene]

Humans are so preoccupied with a "meaning" to life, that perhaps we've never come to objectively consider what we may fear the most; that there is no meaning.