What is the value of alpha + beta + gamma?

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The problem involves a variable line represented by the equation ax + by + c = 0, where the coefficients a, b, and c are in arithmetic progression. This line is normal to a circle defined by (x - α)² + (y - β)² = γ, which is orthogonal to another circle given by the equation x² + y² - 4x - 4y - 1 = 0. The goal is to determine the value of α + β + γ.

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  • Participants discuss the condition for orthogonality of circles and how it relates to the given equations. There are attempts to express the coefficients a, b, and c in terms of a common difference in arithmetic progression. Questions arise about how to utilize these relationships effectively.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationships between the variables and have attempted to manipulate the equations to find connections. Others express uncertainty about the sufficiency of the information provided and whether the problem is correctly stated. There is an ongoing exploration of how to approach the problem without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants note that there are more unknowns than equations, leading to concerns about the ability to solve for the desired variables. The discussion also highlights the ambiguity in the problem statement regarding the nature of the variable line.

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Homework Statement


A variable line ax+by+c=0, where a,b,c are in A.P (arithmetic progression), is normal to a circle ##(x-\alpha)^2+(y-\beta)^2=\gamma##, which is orthogonal to circle ##x^2+y^2-4x-4y-1=0##. The value of ##\alpha+\beta+\gamma## is equal to
A)3
B)5
C)10
D)7


Homework Equations


Condition for orthogonality of two circle: ##2g_1g_2+2f_1f_2=c_1+c_2##


The Attempt at a Solution


From the above condition for orthogonality: ##4\alpha+4\beta=\alpha^2+\beta^2-\gamma-1##

Since the line is normal to the circle, it passes through the centre of circle i.e. ##a\alpha+b\beta+c=0##. What should I do next? :confused:

I have 2b=a+c but where should I use this?

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Pranav-Arora said:

Homework Statement


A variable line ax+by+c=0, where a,b,c are in A.P (arithmetic progression), is normal to a circle ##(x-\alpha)^2+(y-\beta)^2=\gamma##, which is orthogonal to circle ##x^2+y^2-4x-4y-1=0##. The value of ##\alpha+\beta+\gamma## is equal to
A)3
B)5
C)10
D)7


Homework Equations


Condition for orthogonality of two circle: ##2g_1g_2+2f_1f_2=c_1+c_2##


The Attempt at a Solution


From the above condition for orthogonality: ##4\alpha+4\beta=\alpha^2+\beta^2-\gamma-1##

Since the line is normal to the circle, it passes through the centre of circle i.e. ##a\alpha+b\beta+c=0##. What should I do next? :confused:

I have 2b=a+c but where should I use this?

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

I don't see that you have used the given information that a, b, and c are in arithmetic progression.
 
Mark44 said:
I don't see that you have used the given information that a, b, and c are in arithmetic progression.

I know and that's my question. Where am I supposed to use this? Replace c with 2b-a?
 
Assuming the common difference to be d, you have b = a + d, and c = a + 2d. This makes your line equation
ax + (a + d) y + a + 2d = 0.

Solve for y to get y = -a/(a + d) * x + (-a - 2d)/(a + d). This form gives you the slope of the line very easily.
 
Mark44 said:
Assuming the common difference to be d, you have b = a + d, and c = a + 2d. This makes your line equation
ax + (a + d) y + a + 2d = 0.

Solve for y to get y = -a/(a + d) * x + (-a - 2d)/(a + d). This form gives you the slope of the line very easily.

I am still a bit lost. Why do we even need the slope here? :confused:
 
I don't believe there's enough information here. You have 3 equations and 6 unknowns. Now, it could just happen that the one variable of interest is determinable, but I don't see it. Substitute for γ using γ = Z - α-β, substitute for c using c = 2b-a. That gets you to two equations and 5 unknowns. You can use one equation to eliminate one more unknown, and hope that some huge magic cancellation occurs to eliminate 3 more (all except Z), but it doesn't.
 
haruspex said:
I don't believe there's enough information here. You have 3 equations and 6 unknowns. Now, it could just happen that the one variable of interest is determinable, but I don't see it. Substitute for γ using γ = Z - α-β, substitute for c using c = 2b-a. That gets you to two equations and 5 unknowns. You can use one equation to eliminate one more unknown, and hope that some huge magic cancellation occurs to eliminate 3 more (all except Z), but it doesn't.

This is from my test paper and I don't think that it requires too much time solving questions. But there is no guarantee that the question is correct.
I have the solution booklet too, I don't see from where did they get the values of ##\alpha## and ##\beta##.

Solution:
(A part of the solution is on the different page so I am writing down the equations from the first page and attaching the rest of the steps.)
##ax+by+c=0##
##ax-2b+c=0##
##(1,-2)## is the centre of cricle
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Based on that, I think I've figured it out. The question ought to read:
Every line ax+by+c=0, where a,b,c are in A.P (arithmetic progression), is normal to the circle ...
I suppose that's what they meant by 'variable' line, but it should have been made much clearer.
All such lines pass through the point (1, -2),
 
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haruspex said:
Based on that, I think I've figured it out. The question ought to read:

I suppose that's what they meant by 'variable' line, but it should have been made much clearer.
All such lines pass through the point (1, -2),

That means I can assume any line and continue with that?

How did the solution even come up with the values of ##\alpha## and ##\beta##?
 
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Pranav-Arora said:
That means I can assume any line and continue with that?

How did the solution even come up with the values of ##\alpha## and ##\beta##?


No - ALL lines of the form ax+by+c=0, where a,b,c are in arithmetic progression. That fixes where the centre of the circle must be; it must be a point that all such lines go through.
 
  • #12
haruspex said:
No - ALL lines of the form ax+by+c=0, where a,b,c are in arithmetic progression. That fixes where the centre of the circle must be; it must be a point that all such lines go through.

Thanks haruspex! :smile:

I assumed two equations, i.e ##x+2y+3=0## and ##y+2=0##, this gave me ##\alpha## and ##\beta##. I substituted them in the equation for orthogonality and found gamma.

Thank you! :)
 

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