What is the value of alpha + beta + gamma?

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Homework Statement


A variable line ax+by+c=0, where a,b,c are in A.P (arithmetic progression), is normal to a circle ##(x-\alpha)^2+(y-\beta)^2=\gamma##, which is orthogonal to circle ##x^2+y^2-4x-4y-1=0##. The value of ##\alpha+\beta+\gamma## is equal to
A)3
B)5
C)10
D)7


Homework Equations


Condition for orthogonality of two circle: ##2g_1g_2+2f_1f_2=c_1+c_2##


The Attempt at a Solution


From the above condition for orthogonality: ##4\alpha+4\beta=\alpha^2+\beta^2-\gamma-1##

Since the line is normal to the circle, it passes through the centre of circle i.e. ##a\alpha+b\beta+c=0##. What should I do next? :confused:

I have 2b=a+c but where should I use this?

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Pranav-Arora said:

Homework Statement


A variable line ax+by+c=0, where a,b,c are in A.P (arithmetic progression), is normal to a circle ##(x-\alpha)^2+(y-\beta)^2=\gamma##, which is orthogonal to circle ##x^2+y^2-4x-4y-1=0##. The value of ##\alpha+\beta+\gamma## is equal to
A)3
B)5
C)10
D)7


Homework Equations


Condition for orthogonality of two circle: ##2g_1g_2+2f_1f_2=c_1+c_2##


The Attempt at a Solution


From the above condition for orthogonality: ##4\alpha+4\beta=\alpha^2+\beta^2-\gamma-1##

Since the line is normal to the circle, it passes through the centre of circle i.e. ##a\alpha+b\beta+c=0##. What should I do next? :confused:

I have 2b=a+c but where should I use this?

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

I don't see that you have used the given information that a, b, and c are in arithmetic progression.
 
Mark44 said:
I don't see that you have used the given information that a, b, and c are in arithmetic progression.

I know and that's my question. Where am I supposed to use this? Replace c with 2b-a?
 
Assuming the common difference to be d, you have b = a + d, and c = a + 2d. This makes your line equation
ax + (a + d) y + a + 2d = 0.

Solve for y to get y = -a/(a + d) * x + (-a - 2d)/(a + d). This form gives you the slope of the line very easily.
 
Mark44 said:
Assuming the common difference to be d, you have b = a + d, and c = a + 2d. This makes your line equation
ax + (a + d) y + a + 2d = 0.

Solve for y to get y = -a/(a + d) * x + (-a - 2d)/(a + d). This form gives you the slope of the line very easily.

I am still a bit lost. Why do we even need the slope here? :confused:
 
I don't believe there's enough information here. You have 3 equations and 6 unknowns. Now, it could just happen that the one variable of interest is determinable, but I don't see it. Substitute for γ using γ = Z - α-β, substitute for c using c = 2b-a. That gets you to two equations and 5 unknowns. You can use one equation to eliminate one more unknown, and hope that some huge magic cancellation occurs to eliminate 3 more (all except Z), but it doesn't.
 
haruspex said:
I don't believe there's enough information here. You have 3 equations and 6 unknowns. Now, it could just happen that the one variable of interest is determinable, but I don't see it. Substitute for γ using γ = Z - α-β, substitute for c using c = 2b-a. That gets you to two equations and 5 unknowns. You can use one equation to eliminate one more unknown, and hope that some huge magic cancellation occurs to eliminate 3 more (all except Z), but it doesn't.

This is from my test paper and I don't think that it requires too much time solving questions. But there is no guarantee that the question is correct.
I have the solution booklet too, I don't see from where did they get the values of ##\alpha## and ##\beta##.

Solution:
(A part of the solution is on the different page so I am writing down the equations from the first page and attaching the rest of the steps.)
##ax+by+c=0##
##ax-2b+c=0##
##(1,-2)## is the centre of cricle
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Based on that, I think I've figured it out. The question ought to read:
Every line ax+by+c=0, where a,b,c are in A.P (arithmetic progression), is normal to the circle ...
I suppose that's what they meant by 'variable' line, but it should have been made much clearer.
All such lines pass through the point (1, -2),
 
haruspex said:
Based on that, I think I've figured it out. The question ought to read:

I suppose that's what they meant by 'variable' line, but it should have been made much clearer.
All such lines pass through the point (1, -2),

That means I can assume any line and continue with that?

How did the solution even come up with the values of ##\alpha## and ##\beta##?
 
Pranav-Arora said:
That means I can assume any line and continue with that?

How did the solution even come up with the values of ##\alpha## and ##\beta##?


No - ALL lines of the form ax+by+c=0, where a,b,c are in arithmetic progression. That fixes where the centre of the circle must be; it must be a point that all such lines go through.
 
haruspex said:
No - ALL lines of the form ax+by+c=0, where a,b,c are in arithmetic progression. That fixes where the centre of the circle must be; it must be a point that all such lines go through.

Thanks haruspex! :smile:

I assumed two equations, i.e ##x+2y+3=0## and ##y+2=0##, this gave me ##\alpha## and ##\beta##. I substituted them in the equation for orthogonality and found gamma.

Thank you! :)