What is the value of induced magnetic field?

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The problem involves two concentric metallic shells with an inner radius \( r_1 \) and outer radius \( r_2 \), placed around an infinitely long wire with a linear charge density \( \lambda \). The system is rotating with an angular velocity \( \omega \), and the inner region of the metallic shells has a relative permittivity coefficient \( \epsilon \). The main question is about determining the value of the induced magnetic field in this setup.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive expressions for the induced magnetic field using equations related to electric polarization and charge distribution. Some participants question the calculations of the magnetic field in different regions, particularly whether the field is zero in certain areas and how it behaves between the shells.

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Participants have provided feedback on the calculations, with some confirming the correctness of certain expressions while others suggest that there may be errors in the expression for the magnetic field in the region between the shells. The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the magnetic field behavior in the specified regions.

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There are discussions about the assumptions made regarding the behavior of the magnetic field in regions inside and outside the shells, as well as the implications of the system's rotation on the induced magnetic field. The original poster is seeking clarification on specific calculations and potential errors in reasoning.

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Homework Statement


Two coencenteric metalic shell has inner radius $r_1$ outer radius $r_2$. We place along axis infinity wire has $\lambda$ charge in per unit length. The inner region of metalic shells inserted with relative permabilitty coefficient $\epsilon$. This system rotates with $\omega$ angular velocity. What is the value of induced magnetic field?
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The Attempt at a Solution


\begin{equation}
\rho_b=-\nabla.{P}
\end{equation}
\begin{equation}
P=(\epsilon-1)\epsilon_0.E
\end{equation}
\begin{equation}
E=\lambda\div({2\pi.\epsilon\epsilon_0.r})
\end{equation}
If we placed to first equation we get:
\begin{equation}
\rho_b=0
\end{equation}
\begin{equation}
\sigma_b=P.n
\end{equation}
where is n is unit vector
for outer metalic shell:
\begin{equation}
\sigma_b(r_2)=P(r_2)=(\epsilon-1)\epsilon_0\lambda\div({2\pi.\epsilon\epsilon_0.r_2})
\end{equation}
for inner metalic shell:
\begin{equation}
\sigma_b(r_1)=-P(r_1)=-(\epsilon-1)\epsilon_0\lambda\div({2\pi.\epsilon\epsilon_0.r_1})
\end{equation}
For charge for the inner shell
\begin{equation}
\sigma_1.2\pi.r_1.h=q_1
\end{equation}
For charge for the outer shell
\begin{equation}
\sigma_2.2\pi.r_2.h=q_2
\end{equation}
For current
\begin{equation}
i=q/T
\end{equation}
when we calculate current inner and outer's effect of magnetic field canceled. Where is the mistake if there is? Or what variables cause to magnetic field? HELP PLEASE
 
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Your work looks good, but you didn't show how you are calculating the B field. Are you getting that B = 0 everywhere?
 
sorry, i will continue:
$\sigma_2$ positive, $\sigma_1$ is negative; so current of outer sphere is anticlockwise, current of inner sphere is clockwise.
\begin{equation}
i_1=q_1\div{T}=\sigma_1.2.\pi.r_1h\div{2\pi/\omega}=\sigma_1.\omega.r_1.h
\end{equation}
\begin{equation}
i_2=q_2\div{T}=\sigma_2.2.\pi.r_2h\div{2\pi/\omega}=\sigma_2.\omega.r_2.h
\end{equation}
The direction of magnetic field is up. now let's consider the r<$r_1$ region. We think this system like selenoid.
\begin{equation}
B=\mu_0.i\div{h}
\end{equation}
In the this region magnetic field directions are opposite and canceled. Also in the region $r>r_2$ canceled. But the magnetic field in the region$r_2>r>r$ they don't canceled. (I found my mistake)
\begin{equation}
B_1=0 for this region.TSny pointed out.
\end{equation}
\begin{equation}
B_2=\mu_0.\sigma_2.\omega.r_2.h\div{h}=\mu_0.\sigma_2.\omega.r_2
\end{equation}
And i obtain
\begin{equation}
B=\mu_0.\omega.\sigma_2.r_2
\end{equation}
If i put \sigma_2. value:
\begin{equation}
B=\mu_0.\omega.(\epsilon-1)\lambda\div({2\epsilon.\pi})
\end{equation}
Do you see any error in my calculations?
 
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That all looks correct to me.
 
so thanks
 
Oh wait. Sorry. I think you are right that B = 0 for ##r< r_1## and ##r > r_2##. But I don't think you have the correct expression for ##r_1 < r < r_2.##.

For an ideal solenoid, what is B outside the solenoid?
 
ohhh yes you are correct i'll edit now.
 
Safakphysics said:
##B=\mu_0.\omega.(\epsilon-1)\lambda\div({2\epsilon.\pi})##
OK.
 

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