What is the value of the second term in the commutator for an N particle system?

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the second term in the commutator for an N particle system, specifically focusing on the Hamiltonian and momentum operators. The subject area includes quantum mechanics and the implications of symmetries in physical systems.

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  • Participants explore the implications of translation symmetry on the potential and its effect on the commutator. Some suggest using Taylor's expansion to analyze the problem further, while others propose examining specific cases, such as N=2, to gain insight into the commutator's behavior.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering various lines of reasoning and approaches. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of symmetry and partial derivatives, but there is no explicit consensus on the resolution of the second term in the commutator.

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Participants are working within the constraints of quantum mechanics principles and are encouraged to consider the implications of translation symmetry and conservation laws. There is an emphasis on deriving results rather than stating them outright.

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Given is the Hamiltonian H of a n particle system and it should be shown that H and P commucate, thus [H,P] = 0.
Where P is given as $$P = \sum_{n=1}^N p_n.$$
Relevant Equations
$$H = \sum_{n=1}^N \frac{p_n^2}{2m_n} +\frac{1}{2}\sum_{n,n'}^N V(|x_n-x_n'|)$$
I have insertet the equations for H and P in the relation for the commutator which gives

$$[H,P] = [\sum_{n=1}^N \frac{p_n^2}{2m_n} +\frac{1}{2}\sum_{n,n'}^N V(|x_n-x_n'|),\sum_{n=1}^N p_n]
\\ = [\sum_{n=1}^N \frac{p_n^2}{2m_n},\sum_{n=1}^N p_n]+\frac{1}{2}[\sum_{n,n'}^N V(|x_n-x_n'|),\sum_{n=1}^N p_n]$$

The first term should become zero, but what about the second term? I don't really know how to go on here.
 
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The potential is the function of only relative coordinates. If I translate all of them simultaneously,the potencial won't change i.e it has translation symmetry. It is well known to people in physics that translation symmetry implies conservation of momentum (Noether Theorem). So, the commutator becomes zero.
If you are not satisfied(Since you didn't see Mathematics), then try Taylor's expansion of ##H(x_i+a)## around ##x_i=a## to first order.
Reference: Modern Quantum Mechanics,J.J Sakurai.
 
To see how it works, try writing out explicitly the expression ##\frac{1}{2} \left[ \sum_{m,n}^N V(|x_m-x_n|),\sum_{n=1}^N p_n \right]## for the case N = 2.
 
We have ##\frac{\partial}{\partial p_i}\sum_{n=1}^N p_n = 1## for all ##i=1,2,...,N##. If you show that the terms in ##\sum_i \frac{\partial}{\partial x_i} \sum_{n,n'}^N V(|x_n-x_{n'}|)## cancel each other out, then you get ## \left[\sum_{n,n'}^N V(|x_n-x_{n'}|),\sum_{n=1}^N p_n\right]=0##. You can look at the sum of the two terms ##\frac{\partial V(|x_k-x_m|)}{\partial x_k}+\frac{\partial V(|x_k-x_m|)}{\partial x_m}## for some ##k\neq m## and try to show that this is 0.
 
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