What is the work done on the gas for path IAF using a P-V graph?

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The problem involves calculating the work done on a gas during a specific path (IAF) on a pressure-volume (P-V) graph. The gas transitions from an initial state at 3.9 atm and 0.29 L to a final state at 1 atm and 0.7 L, with internal energy values provided for both states. The context includes multiple questions related to this scenario.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of work done on the gas, questioning whether the work is being done by or on the gas. There is an exploration of the implications of the sign of work in relation to internal energy changes.

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Some participants have offered insights into the relationship between work and internal energy, while others are clarifying the direction of work in the context of the gas's expansion. There is an acknowledgment of confusion regarding the correct application of the work equation and its implications.

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Participants note the absence of specific heat or temperature data, which complicates the analysis of internal energy changes. The problem also involves a misunderstanding regarding the sign convention for work done on the gas.

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Homework Statement



One mole of gas is initially at a pressure of 3.9 atm, volume of .29 L and has an internal energy equal to 108.1 J. In its final state the gas is at pressure 1 atm and volume .7 L, and its internal energy equals 169 J. (There are 6 different questions using this data).

For the path IAF, calculate the work done on the gas. Answer in units of J

okay well there is a graph to better visualize the problem but i can't exactly draw it out but basically the path IAF makes a right angle (If you start from point I you go down and then right). I is at 3.9 atm and .29 L, A is at 1 atm and .29 L, and F is at 1 atm and .7 L.


Homework Equations



Work = Pressure x Change in Volume


The Attempt at a Solution


Well to start it off, there is no work done from I to A so therefore you only need to find the work from point A to F
W from path A to F= (1 atm)(.41 litres)
convertingggg
W=(101300 N/m^2)(.00041 m^3)
so you should get
41.533 N*m
so
41.533 J

and somehow when i submit that in, it comes at as wrong... help? :rolleyes:
 
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alexithymia916 said:
For the path IAF, calculate the work done on the gas. Answer in units of J
It is asking for the work done ON the gas. Is the gas doing work or is work being done on it here?

AM
 
okay so if it's work being done on the gas.. then the equation should be
Change in Internal energy = Q-W
but you don't have specific heat or final or initial temperature..
 
alexithymia916 said:
okay so if it's work being done on the gas.. then the equation should be
Change in Internal energy = Q-W
but you don't have specific heat or final or initial temperature..
When gas expands, it DOES work. So in this case, it DOES work, so the work DONE ON the gas is negative. Just put a - sign in front of your answer.

AM
 
oh geeeez
pardon my ignorance...
thanks so much :)
 

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