What kind of higher math do I need?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical concepts required to understand the volume of a sphere changing periodically with time. It includes inquiries about the necessary higher mathematics and the role of calculus in this context.

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  • One participant asks about the higher mathematics needed to understand the volume of a sphere changing with time, referencing the equation of a sphere.
  • Another participant suggests that basic calculus is sufficient to analyze the change in volume over time, providing a differential equation for volume change.
  • A different participant mentions that an inflating balloon serves as an example of volume changing with time, reinforcing the calculus requirement.
  • Further inquiry is made about the relevance of Bessel functions, with a response indicating that they typically arise in more advanced courses like differential equations or engineering math, which require calculus as a prerequisite.

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Participants generally agree that calculus is foundational for understanding the problem, but there is no consensus on the necessity of more advanced topics like Bessel functions, as opinions vary on when they are encountered in education.

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The discussion does not resolve the specific conditions under which Bessel functions become relevant, nor does it clarify the assumptions about the periodic nature of the volume change.

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What kind of higher mathematics do I need to take in order to understand things like the volume of a sphere changing periodically with time? I know the generalized equation for a sphere is x2+y2+z2=r2, but how would time become involved?

Thanks!
 
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falcon32 said:
What kind of higher mathematics do I need to take in order to understand things like the volume of a sphere changing periodically with time? I know the generalized equation for a sphere is x2+y2+z2=r2, but how would time become involved?

Thanks!
You'd be surprised how much you can do with just basic calculus.

For a sphere in three dimensional space of radius ##r##, the volume ##V## is given by ##V=\frac{4}{3}\pi r^3##. To find the change in volume over time, I would say that we have to solve the differential equation ##\frac{dV}{dt}=\frac{d}{dr}\left[\frac{4}{3}\pi r^3\right]\frac{dr}{dt}=4\pi r^2 \frac{dr}{dt}##.
 
falcon32 said:
What kind of higher mathematics do I need to take in order to understand things like the volume of a sphere changing periodically with time? I know the generalized equation for a sphere is x2+y2+z2=r2, but how would time become involved?

Thanks!

You would just need calculus. An example of volume changing with time would be an inflating balloon.
 
LCKurtz said:
You would just need calculus. An example of volume changing with time would be an inflating balloon.

hmm ok thanks. what about bessel functions, calc also?
 
falcon32 said:
hmm ok thanks. what about bessel functions, calc also?

Calculus is the basis of all analysis. You normally wouldn't encounter Bessel functions until you take a differential equations, partial differential equations, or an engineering math course, all of which require calculus as a prerequisite.
 
LCKurtz said:
Calculus is the basis of all analysis. You normally wouldn't encounter Bessel functions until you take a differential equations, partial differential equations, or an engineering math course, all of which require calculus as a prerequisite.

Time to brush up on some math and get another math course methinks :D
 

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