What makes a perfect community? A closer look at 'The Giver' by Louis Lowry

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of a perfect community as explored in "The Giver" by Louis Lowry. Participants examine characteristics that could contribute to an ideal society, the paradoxes inherent in the pursuit of utopia, and the implications of differing perspectives on what constitutes perfection.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that acceptance of reality is central to the concept of utopia, arguing that perfection may be unattainable.
  • Others propose that a successful community must balance individual freedoms with collective well-being, citing the U.S. government as a model that, while not perfect, provides a framework for freedom.
  • A participant raises the idea that a utopia would require uniformity in opinions about what utopia means, while others argue that diversity in worldviews is essential.
  • Some express concern that achieving a utopia could lead to complacency and a loss of motivation to improve society.
  • There are differing views on whether a selfless utopia is achievable, with some claiming that human imperfection makes it impossible.
  • One participant reflects on the personal nature of utopia, suggesting that it varies greatly from person to person.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the characteristics of a perfect community or the feasibility of achieving a utopia. Multiple competing views remain, with ongoing debate about the implications of uniformity versus diversity in societal ideals.

Contextual Notes

Participants express various assumptions about the nature of utopia, including the role of individual desires, societal structures, and the potential consequences of achieving a perfect community. The discussion highlights the complexity of defining utopia and the subjective nature of individual experiences.

  • #31
I can see how certain points of view might "place limits" on living life. However, it is possible to speculate about what may be "true" about the Universe (or God), and still be able to "go with the flow"...as you encourage.

You visit this Forum -- as I do -- to kick around IDEAS. This is my idea of FUN...and I am grateful to have found this site.

I like jousting with more-informed and better minds than mine...tho I get a little bruised from time to time.
 
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  • #32
I can see how certain points of view might "place limits" on living life. However, it is possible to speculate about what may be "true" about the Universe (or God), and still be able to "go with the flow"...as you encourage.

Yes, exactly. A few rare idiot savants can play the piano without taking lessons, the rest of us must start with the basics and then learn to allow ourselves to become lost in the process.

You visit this Forum -- as I do -- to kick around IDEAS. This is my idea of FUN...and I am grateful to have found this site.

I like jousting with more-informed and better minds than mine...tho I get a little bruised from time to time.

Mostly I visit it to practice expressing ideas. I just love to teach and often teaching is the best way to learn something better. Getting bruised is half the fun. Although occassionally someone just hands me what I need to continue polishing my philosophy, more often than not it is people arguing and bruising me that is the source of inspiration. :0)
 
  • #33
Wuliheron

Exactly.
 

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