What makes positive linear functionals always finite?

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The discussion centers on the properties of positive linear functionals, particularly in the context of Rudin's proof regarding measures representing these functionals on continuous functions with compact support in locally compact Hausdorff spaces. Participants explore the conditions under which these functionals yield finite values, especially concerning compact sets.

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  • One participant questions the conclusion that the measure u(K) is finite for any compact set K, seeking clarification on the properties of positive linear functionals that ensure this finiteness.
  • Another participant suggests using the compactness of K to construct a finite open cover and argues that the linearity of A allows for a finite sum that relates to u(K), although they express uncertainty about the finiteness of A(Vi) for the open cover.
  • A different participant asserts that since A is a linear functional, A(f) must be finite for functions f in Cc(X), implying that u(K) is also finite.
  • One participant seeks to confirm their understanding that A must yield finite values for all functions in its domain, while also noting the existence of extended real-valued functions that could complicate this assumption.
  • Another participant clarifies that A is defined specifically on Cc(X) and that while u(f) could be infinite for functions not in the domain, this does not apply to the functions under discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the justification for the finiteness of A(Vi) and the implications of the definitions involved. There is no consensus on the underlying properties that guarantee the finiteness of u(K).

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Participants highlight the importance of the definitions of linear functionals and the specific domain of Cc(X), which may limit the applicability of certain arguments. There is also mention of potential complications arising from extended real-valued functions.

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I'm strugging with a portion of Rudin's proof.

Quick statement of the bulk of the theorem:

Let X be a locally compact Hausdorff space. Let A be a positive linear functional on Cc(X) (continous functions with compact support). Then (among other things), there exists a measure u() that represents A:

A(f) = Integral(fdu) for every f in Cc(X).

Now assuming that, he shows that u(K) for any compact set K is finite.

He basically shows that u(K) <= A(f) for some f in Cc(X) with 0 <= f <= 1. This far I follow. But then he immediately concludes that therefore u(K) is finite for any compact K.

Is there some basic property of positive linear functionals that makes them always finite? There is a somewhat similar proof in Rudin's Principles of Mathematical Analysis where he shows that the norm of linear functionals on finite dimensional vector spaces is finite. But that proof assumes a finite dimensional space. So I can't see how to apply that proof here.

Any help is appreciated.
thanks
 
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I can use the compactness of K to choose an finite open cover {Vi} of K. Then we have:

A(V1) + A(V2) = A(V1+V2), etc by linearity. Showing that this is >= u(K) is straightforward with the countable additivity of the measure. Since there are finite Vi, I get a finite sum very similar to Rudin's proof on the finite vector space in PMA.

However, I'm still assuming that each A(Vi) is finite. But it seems like I could be on the right track. What's the justification that each A(Vi) is finite?

thanks
 
redrzewski said:
He basically shows that u(K) <= A(f) for some f in Cc(X) with 0 <= f <= 1. This far I follow. But then he immediately concludes that therefore u(K) is finite for any compact K.

isn't this obvious? A(f) must be finite by the definition of a linear function, so u(K) <= A(f)< infinity.
 
Let me make sure I understand.

Since A: X -> R is a function, then for any f in X, A(f) must be finite by the definition of a function since A is well defined on its domain.

Is that right?

Also, Royden has a section about extended real-valued functions where apparently f(x)=infinity for some x is a valid definition. So I just need to assume that we aren't dealing with these extended functions here.

thanks
 
redrzewski said:
Since A: X -> R is a function, then for any f in X, A(f) must be finite by the definition of a function since A is well defined on its domain.

Yes, except that it is A:Cc(X)->R and f in Cc(X). The Riesz representation theorem is for real valued linear maps.
Although, u(f) could be infinite if f>=0 doesn't have compact support but then it isn't in the domain of A anyway.
 

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