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The discussion revolves around the mechanism behind gravitational acceleration, particularly in the context of Newtonian physics versus Einstein's theory of general relativity. Participants explore the nature of gravity as a force versus a curvature in spacetime, and the implications of these concepts on the motion of masses. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and personal reflections on understanding these ideas.

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  • One participant describes gravity in Newtonian terms as a force acting on masses, while another contrasts this with Einstein's concept of gravity as curvature in spacetime.
  • There is a question about what mechanism causes masses to accelerate towards one another if gravity is a curvature rather than a force.
  • Another participant notes that free-falling masses do not experience proper acceleration, suggesting that their motion is a result of coordinate distortion in spacetime.
  • One participant emphasizes that while a tennis ball may be at rest in space, it is still moving through time, and the curvature of spacetime redirects some of that motion into spatial motion.
  • A later reply discusses the implications of this motion on the passage of time, suggesting that as an object moves through space, it experiences less time passing.
  • There is a playful acknowledgment of the universal nature of time dilation as related to motion through space.

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Participants express various interpretations of gravitational acceleration and the nature of spacetime curvature. While some points are clarified, there remains no consensus on the underlying mechanisms or implications of these concepts.

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Some participants express confusion over terminology and concepts, indicating a potential barrier to understanding the discussion. The exploration of negative energy is noted as a contentious point without clear experimental confirmation.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring concepts in physics, particularly students or enthusiasts seeking to understand the nature of gravity and spacetime. It may also appeal to individuals curious about the philosophical implications of motion and time in relation to gravity.

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If I were to hold a tennis ball out at arm's length, and release it, we all know it would fall due to gravitational attraction from the Earth's mass.

In Newton's physics, gravity was a force that was created by and acted on all mass, causing two objects to accelerate toward one another, at a rate proportional to the sum of the masses and the inverse square of the distance between them (I think that's right). This is easily grasped even by schoolchildren.

When Einstein came along, he removed the 'force' from gravity by describing it as a curvature in space-time, caused by the presence of the mass. Analogous to an acceleration, but not one, this concept is somewhat more difficult to wrap the brain around.

My question is this. If gravity acts from curvature in space-time, what is the mechanism pushing the acceleration of the masses?

The tennis ball in my hand, from the example, is at rest relative to the center of mass of the system. Why do the masses accelerate toward one another rather than remaining relatively motionless, when there is no energy being added to the system?

Please don't say that holding the ball off of the ground adds 'negative energy' to the ball, and the mass loses that negative energy by falling. This is not satisfactory because the existence of 'negative energy' is questionable, and not really confirmed by any experiment that I know about, except in the case of considering gravity itself to be a form of negative energy.

Please if I am off base with any of my information or assumptions, don't call me stupid. I'm here to get answers from those who know better than I do.
 
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I've read other posts about this same subject, but I didn't understand much of it, because of extensive use of words I don't know. Please say it in a way a child can read.
In order to visualize curved space I had to imagine a Rubik's cube and then squish in the area where the center of mass was present...yea.
As a side note, I'd love to work for NASA...as a janitor, maybe?
 
Did you see this animation already?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdC0QN6f3G4

If gravity acts from curvature in space-time, what is the mechanism pushing the acceleration of the masses?

Free falling masses are not really accelerated, a free falling accelerometer measures 0 proper acceleration. They start moving in space, because their unaccelerated straight path in space time, deviates from the initially purely temporal direction, due to coordinate distortion (see video). This results in coordinate acceleration.
 
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LuckyNate said:
The tennis ball in my hand, from the example, is at rest relative to the center of mass of the system.
It is important to remember that the curvature is in spacetime, not just space. The tennis ball may be at rest in space, but it is still moving through time. The curvature of spacetime essentially curves some of that motion through time into motion through space.
 
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Thanks for this very concise and easy to understand explanation. =)

DaleSpam said:
The tennis ball may be at rest in space, but it is still moving through time. The curvature of spacetime essentially curves some of that motion through time into motion through space.

Wouldn't diverting the motion away from the time direction cause an 'acceleration' in time, in the direction of the past? the apple experiences less time passing as it is falling?
 
LuckyNate said:
Wouldn't diverting the motion away from the time direction cause an 'acceleration' in time, in the direction of the past? the apple experiences less time passing as it is falling?
Yes, the faster something moves through space, the slower it ages.
 
oh yea duh...that's universal...
 

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