What mistake am I making when calculating work done by a force?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by a force represented by the equation F = -2x, specifically over the interval from -1 to 1. Participants explore the relationship between force, displacement, and the graphical representation of work as the area under the curve.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants question the interpretation of work done based on the signs of force and displacement, with some suggesting that areas above and below the x-axis cancel each other out. Others consider the definition of work and how it relates to positive and negative values in the context of displacement.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the definition of work and its calculation. There is an exploration of different interpretations regarding the signs of work done, and some participants express confusion about their reasoning. Guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between displacement and force.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of the areas under the curve in the context of work done, as well as the definitions and assumptions related to force and displacement. There is an emphasis on understanding the graphical representation of work and its mathematical formulation.

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Homework Statement
Draw the graph of ##F=-2x## and calculate the work done from ##[-1,1]##
Relevant Equations
Work = area under the graph
The answer key is zero because the areas are above and below x-axis and have equal magnitude so canceling out each other.

But I am confused about the solution
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Area 1 is above x-axis but I think the work done is negative since the sign of ##F## and ##x## is opposite. Work done on area 2 is also negative for the same reasoning so my answer would be -2 J

Where is my mistake? Thanks
 
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songoku said:
Homework Statement:: Draw the graph of ##F=-2x## and calculate the work done from ##[-1,1]##
Relevant Equations:: Work = area under the graph

The answer key is zero because the areas are above and below x-axis and have equal magnitude so canceling out each other.

But I am confused about the solution
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Area 1 is above x-axis but I think the work done is negative since the sign of ##F## and ##x## is opposite. Work done on area 2 is also negative for the same reasoning so my answer would be -2 J

Where is my mistake? Thanks
Ask yourself, "What is the definition of Work?"
 
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SammyS said:
Ask yourself, "What is the definition of Work?"
Work is the product of displacement and force which is parallel to the displacement

So based on that definition, I think when the force is positive and displacement is negative, the work done will be negative.

Thanks
 
songoku said:
Work is the product of displacement and force which is parallel to the displacement

So based on that definition, I think when the force is positive and displacement is negative, the work done will be negative.

Thanks
Right. Looks like you've got it.

So, in going from ##x=-1## to ##x=0##, for instance, the displacement is positive, even though ##x## is negative.
 
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For a non constant force the work in going from1 to 2 is $$work=\int _1^2 F(x) \,
dx$$ The increment dx is positive in the +x direction. So the net result result
$$work=\int _{x=-1}^{x=+1} F(x) \,
dx=0$$
is zero
 
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SammyS said:
Right. Looks like you've got it.

So, in going from ##x=-1## to ##x=0##, for instance, the displacement is positive, even though ##x## is negative.
Ah I see, so one work is indeed positive (area 1) and the other one is negative (area 2) so the total is zero.

Thank you very much SammyS and hutchphd
 
Put simply: Displacement is the change in x, not x itself.
 
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