What particles can the Z boson couple to in the standard model?

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The discussion centers on the coupling of the Z boson to various particles within the framework of the Standard Model, specifically addressing why it does not couple to gluons and photons. Participants explore theoretical implications and the nature of these couplings, including the conditions under which they may or may not occur.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the Z boson's coupling to Standard Model particles, noting that it does not couple to gluons and photons.
  • Another participant explains that the Z boson does not couple to gluons due to the absence of color charge and states that the photon coupling is more complex due to symmetry considerations in the Standard Model.
  • It is suggested that the Z boson and photon are orthogonal combinations of fields in the electroweak Lagrangian, which prevents their coupling.
  • A participant challenges the notion that photons only couple to charged particles, arguing that photons can couple magnetically to neutral objects like neutrons.
  • Further discussion arises about the nature of the photon coupling to neutrons, with one participant suggesting that the coupling involves the constituent quarks of the neutron.
  • Another participant emphasizes that while magnetic coupling can be written for neutral particles, the Standard Model treats such couplings as zero at tree level, complicating the discussion of what the Z boson can do versus what the Standard Model predicts.
  • A participant asserts that while one can write a legal Z-photon coupling term, it is effectively zero at tree level and arises only through higher-order corrections involving fermion loops.
  • One participant expresses agreement with the complexities discussed regarding the Z boson's interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the nature of photon coupling to neutral particles and the implications of the Standard Model on these interactions. There is no consensus on the validity of certain claims about magnetic couplings and their treatment within the Standard Model.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion involves nuances related to the definitions of particles and their interactions, particularly concerning tree-level versus higher-order corrections in the Standard Model.

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Hi just wondering if anyone could tell me why the Z boson can couple to any standard model particle except forgluons and photons?
 
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It has no color charge and the gluon has no weak charge, so that's why it doesn't couple to the gluon. The photon is more subtle: the symmetry structure of the standard model prevents it.
 
ok thank you for your help
 
one could add that the Z boson and the photon are two orthogonal linear combinations of the same fields in the electroweak lagrangian, and because of their orthogonality they do not couple to each other.

A second way to see it is that the photon only couple to particles with charge, but the Z boson is neutral.
 
kaksmet said:
A second way to see it is that the photon only couple to particles with charge

That's often written, but it's not correct. A photon can couple magnetically to an uncharged object (like a neutron).
 
Vanadium 50 said:
That's often written, but it's not correct. A photon can couple magnetically to an uncharged object (like a neutron).

Hmm, in what limit? See, I would think of the neutron as made of udd (in valence terms), and therefore the photon 'coupling' to the neutron would actually be interacting with one of the constituent quarks. Of course, one could write a Fermi-like term for the interaction, but that's kind of cheating.
 
But before we knew about quarks, we knew the photon coupled to the neutron magnetically. There is no trouble with writing a magnetic coupling.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
But before we knew about quarks, we knew the photon coupled to the neutron magnetically. There is no trouble with writing a magnetic coupling.
In the context of the standard model the photon coupling to neutral particles is zero at tree level. The only way the photon couples to neutral particles (including itself and the Z boson) is via higher order corrections. The standard model does not contain a neutron as a fundamental degree of freedom so it's missleading to discuss couplings to fundamental particles and to effectice degrees of fredom on an equal footing.
 
This is where things get complicated - the issue of what can the Z do and what the SM says it does can easily get mixed up.

I maintain that one can write a photon's magnetic coupling to a neutral particle without any problem. It is true that the standard model has no neutral particles with magnetic moments, but that doesn't mean one cannot write down a term in the Lagrangian like this - the difference is between what can happen, and what does happen. I gave the pre-quark theory example of the neutron.

In fact one doesn't have to stop here - the magnetic coupling adds one derivative. If I add two, I get an electric quadrupole coupling. Three, magnetic octupole, and so on.

In the SM, however, these couplings are nonexistent. Indeed, as tom.storer said, they are zero at tree level, but it's stronger than that: they arise only through fermion loops. In a world with just W's, Z's and photons, the photon and Z would not couple at any order.

So the Z "can" couple to the photon in the sense that I can write down a legal Z-photon coupling. However, in the SM this piece is zero at tree level, and in fact, would be zero at all orders if it weren't for matter effects in loops.
 
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Agreed.
 

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