What remains after H2O evaporates from H2SO4?

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The discussion revolves around the chemical composition and disposal methods of the residue left after water evaporates from a sulfuric acid (H2SO4) solution that had aluminum in it. Participants explore the nature of the remaining substance and the implications of the evaporation process, including potential reactions and safety concerns.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the white crystal powder could be aluminum sulfate, noting its uses in soil pH adjustment and ice melting.
  • Another participant argues that water does not evaporate from a H2SO4 solution of that strength due to its hygroscopic nature, stating that it absorbs water vapor instead.
  • A different participant mentions that the reaction between aluminum and H2SO4 produces hydrogen gas and aluminum sulfate or bisulfate, warning against sealing the container due to potential explosive reactions.
  • There is a claim that the residue could be compounds like Al2(SO4)3 or AlH(SO4)2, but the participant does not provide definitive identification.
  • Concerns are raised about the disposal of the substance, with suggestions ranging from hazardous waste disposal to less serious methods, while another participant downplays the hazards of aluminum and sulfate ions.
  • One participant emphasizes that dehydrating an H2SO4 solution could lead to the formation of SO3, which is also highly hygroscopic.
  • Another participant questions the temperature and conditions under which the data regarding sulfuric acid humidity was measured, indicating a need for further clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the evaporation process of H2SO4 solutions and the nature of the resulting substances. There is no consensus on the exact identity of the residue or the best disposal method, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of definitive identification of the white powder, assumptions about the evaporation process, and the dependence on specific conditions for the reactions discussed. The discussion also highlights the need for caution in handling concentrated acids and their reactions.

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Hi,

I have a 5 gallon container that was 1/2 filled with an H2SO4 solution (15% by volume). The solution also had 6051 aluminum rod that was sitting inside.

After sitting for several months, all of the water has evaporated (or reacted?) and a portion of the aluminum tubing has corroded away. What is left is white crystal powder attached to the remaining aluminum.

Can someone tell me what this substance is? I'm guessing it is salt crystals attached to aluminum rod, but I'm no chemist! Assuming this is something other than salt, what is the best method of disposal (i.e. Bring it to hazardous waste disposal, dilute and flush, poor it in my garden :) , pour it in my neighbors garden :D)?

My Ph meter is broken, so I can't even check the Ph at the moment.

Thanks,
M
 
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It's likely that it produced aluminum sulfate. You can google it. It is sometimes used to lower the pH of soil and apparently is also sometimes used to melt ice and snow on sidewalks.
 
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Water doesn't evaporate from a ##H_2 SO_4## solution of that strength, because the sulfuric acid is hygroscopic. Instead, it absorbs water vapor from the air and becomes more dilute. ##H_2 SO_4## reacts with aluminum to produce hydrogen gas and aluminum sulfate/bisulfate or complexes of those salts with ##H_2 O## and ##OH^-## species (except maybe if the acid is so concentrated that it acts as an oxidizer and produces a protective film on the metal). If you put aluminum and ##H_2 SO_4## in a sealed container, it is likely to explode because of the pressure of the hydrogen gas - don't do that. You probably had an open or loosely closed container in this case ?
 
maker said:
Can someone tell me what this substance is?

It's Al2(SO4)3, AlH(SO4)2 and similar.

what is the best method of disposal (i.e. Bring it to hazardous waste disposal, dilute and flush, poor it in my garden :) , pour it in my neighbors garden :D)?

Neither aluminum nor SO4 ions are hazardous, or we wouldn't routinely use aluminium spoons and gypsum.
 
Per original question, if you 'dehydrate' an H2SO4 solution, you'll finish with SO3. It's hard energetically, as both SO3 and the increasingly concentrated H2SO4 are very, very hygroscopic.

FWIW, I used to work in an Analytical lab, remember noticing a 'serious stupid' in progress; "Hey ! Acid to water, not--"
Click !
The Pyrex litre measuring cylinder had cracked at the interface between the 900 mls of 'Conc Sulf' and the slosh of water. The crack spiralled down the cylinder's length. For a cartoon-instant, the mortally wounded cylinder just stood there. Then, it twisted open, emptying its contents over the bench. The operator jumped back. I jumped *sideways*, went for the acid-spill kit...
{Shudder...}
 
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