What consequences could arise from relying on hydrogen power?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential consequences of relying on hydrogen power as an energy source, particularly focusing on the environmental and resource implications of producing hydrogen through water electrolysis. Participants explore various concerns related to water scarcity, energy production methods, and the broader ecological impacts of transitioning to hydrogen power.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that producing hydrogen from water could exacerbate global water scarcity, necessitating large-scale desalination, which may harm marine ecosystems.
  • Another participant acknowledges the concerns about food production competing with energy needs but suggests that there are multiple methods for hydrogen production that do not require desalination.
  • A different participant emphasizes the importance of considering the negative consequences of any energy solution before implementation, advocating for a backward approach to problem-solving.
  • Some participants challenge the accuracy of claims regarding water loss and energy generation from hydrogen, asserting that electrolysis requires energy and that conservation laws apply to mass and energy.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential ecological impacts of widespread energy solutions, such as solar and wind, which may alter natural processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement. While there is acknowledgment of valid concerns regarding hydrogen power, there is no consensus on the necessity of desalination or the implications of energy production methods. The discussion remains unresolved with competing viewpoints on the feasibility and consequences of hydrogen as an energy source.

Contextual Notes

Some claims regarding the conservation of mass and energy are contested, with participants providing differing interpretations of these principles in the context of hydrogen production and environmental impact. The discussion highlights the complexity of energy solutions and their potential unintended consequences.

  • #31
Originally posted by SailingMD
All of us are born stupid and then we learn some small thing by standing upon the shoulders of others and then we become very smart... so some would say...
There is an important difference between ignorance (not knowing) and stupidity (not being able to accommodate new information).
 
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  • #32
Zoo wrote:

There is an important difference between ignorance (not knowing) and stupidity (not being able to accommodate new information).

Some people ask 5 questions and some ask 10 or more. Some ask none but none are stupid (perhaps) but those that think they know everything or know something about something, or everything about something yet lack the people skills to make any reasonable human being care what they do or do not know.

If they invent something we reward them with a fist full of dollars and a piece of paper and or a pin or medal but we never give them respect if they are seen as being full of self and if they do not treat others like they want to be treated. On the other hand, we can tolorate the stupid that were born that way Vs one who chooses to treat others as being benieth them.

To each their own but I admit I am very good at some things and very bad at others... I guess I am only human too...

Lighten up and chuckle. Remember, every word everyone writes on the new might follow them forever,,, even when you are famous and or rich... You may be Pres someday...:-)
 
  • #33
Originally posted by SailboatMD Some ask none but none are stupid (perhaps) but those that think they know everything or know something about something, or everything about something yet lack the people skills to make any reasonable human being care what they do or do not know.
I wouldn't call these people stupid. In this politically correct age we might best refer to them as "Socially Challenged".

So, what, you charge batteries up with the solar panels during the day and run your computor off an inverter at night? Wireless laptop?
 
  • #34
Zoo wrote:

"So, what, you charge batteries up with the solar panels during the day"

Zoo,

I am only a chimp but your negative and non productive has boored even me (very hard to do too)... You have no point and worst, nothing positive or constructive to add to anything of concern to me ,,, a mear chimp so thus I will simply take a nap and remember when the MK board had so much more to offer (like a year or so ago)...

Although I found the information great here when I posted this and my querries I also sadly found the aditude very lacking and thus the intent of this board may have been lost for now. That is very sad considering the limited bandwith here at present.

MK is a real cool guy and I love hearing him speak as well as on the radio but I do wish he could come up with a better defination of gravity LOL:-) Then others could create devices to offset the effects of said force.

Ta ta Zoo... and all other abrasive posters. I wish all of you well in the future and I hope you all learn something other than how great "I AM" ( that means YOU ARE). Without proper communication you can never sell the greatest invention to the stupidest person on Earth and if by chance you do,,, they will never respect you and thus will never give you your due for you have not grown into a human being yet.

Please learn and grow or you and the children of the world ( your own children) will surlly suffer even unto death...

Think please think. bye
 
  • #35
Originally posted by SailboatMD
remember when the MK board had so much more to offer (like a year or so ago)...
Oh, so THAT's why you're here, you're one of the Michio Kookoos. You remember when the Kaku forum didn't actually have so much reality and science mixed in.
Then others could create devices to offset the effects of said force [gravity].
Um. Right. Anti-gravity machines. I should have seen this coming with this thread...
Without proper communication you can never sell the greatest invention to the stupidest person on earth
Actually, all historical evidence is that the greatest inventions (electricity and automobiles, for examples) sell themselves quite well. Consumers continue to use the inventions even when the sellers (utility companies and car salesmen) generally piss everyone off.
and if by chance you do,,, they will never respect you and thus will never give you your due for you have not grown into a human being yet.
Humm.. and I always thought businesses were out to make money. I'm sure Bill Gates lies awake at night in his $10,000 sheets worrying about how many people respect him.

- Warren
 
  • #36
Originally posted by chroot
Um. Right. Anti-gravity machines. I should have seen this coming with this thread...

Really this claim goes back to the Germans and the Hydrogen Anti-Gravity system. One was called the Hindenberg.
 
  • #37
Originally posted by SailboatMD Ta ta Zoo... and all other abrasive posters.
So hoist up the John B. sails
See how the mainsail sets
Call for the captain ashore to let me go home.
I want to go home.
Why don't you let me go home?
This is the worst trip
I've ever been on.

-Sloop John B.
Beach Boys
 
  • #38
Originally posted by chroot
Um. Right. Anti-gravity machines. I should have seen this coming with this thread...
I have an anti-gravity device: Its rubber and is filled with a special gas which counters the force of gravity.

Think I should patent it?
 
  • #39
Originally posted by russ_watters
I have an anti-gravity device: Its rubber and is filled with a special gas which counters the force of gravity.
Ah, the old condom-full-of-hydrogen trick, eh?

- Warren
 

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