What Role Does Sulphuric Acid Play in This Electrochemistry Reaction?

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The discussion revolves around the role of dilute sulphuric acid in the electrochemical reaction involving Fe2+, Fe3+, Cr2O7(2-), and Cr3+. Participants explore whether sulphuric acid acts as a catalyst or serves other functions in the redox process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if sulphuric acid is merely a catalyst in the reduction of Cr2O7(2-) to Cr3+ and the oxidation of Fe2+ to Fe3+.
  • Another participant argues that sulphuric acid is not a catalyst but rather a necessary substrate, providing H+ ions for the reaction to occur.
  • It is noted that sulphuric acid helps maintain a low pH to prevent the precipitation of Fe(OH)3.
  • A participant mentions that the dissociation of H2SO4 in solution is relevant to the discussion, indicating that the acid's role is more complex than initially suggested.
  • One participant suggests that the addition of acid may increase the conductivity of the solution, although this is presented as a guess rather than a confirmed point.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of balancing the redox reaction equation, implying that this is a fundamental step in understanding the reaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of sulphuric acid, with some suggesting it acts as a catalyst and others arguing it is essential for the reaction to proceed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact function of the acid in this context.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions about the specific roles of the ions and the acid in the reaction, as well as the implications of the acid's dissociation in solution.

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Hi people, I have the following question. Fe2+, Fe3+, Cr2O7(2-) and Cr3+ are contained in a solution in standard states with dilute sulphuric acid. Deduce what happens. I am wondering here what effect the sulphuric acid has, is it simply a catalyst for the reaction in which the Cr2O72- is reduced to Cr3+ and the Fe2+ is oxidised to Fe3+? Could someone check this for me, thx. Joe
 
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josephcollins said:
Hi people, I have the following question. Fe2+, Fe3+, Cr2O7(2-) and Cr3+ are contained in a solution in standard states with dilute sulphuric acid. Deduce what happens. I am wondering here what effect the sulphuric acid has, is it simply a catalyst for the reaction in which the Cr2O72- is reduced to Cr3+ and the Fe2+ is oxidised to Fe3+? Could someone check this for me, thx. Joe
Fe^{2+} _{(aq)} + Fe^{3+} _{(aq)} + Cr_2 O_7 _{(aq)}^{2-} + Cr^{3+} _{(aq)} + H_2 SO_4 _{(aq)}

By the looks of it, I would say the sulphuric acid is a catalyst because all the other substances are ions and the sulphuric acid is not so is not really in a state to be used. If this is the case then I can see nothing wrong with your redox statements.

However if it was not used as a catalyst, I think the sulpate ion from the sulphuric acid would bond with the Fe^{2+} I haven't got time to see if this will change the oxidation states because I have to be out of the house in -3 minutes.

Hope that might have helped. Gurus, enlighten us :smile:

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
The Bob said:
Fe^{2+} _{(aq)} + Fe^{3+} _{(aq)} + Cr_2 O_7 _{(aq)}^{2-} + Cr^{3+} _{(aq)} + H_2 SO_4 _{(aq)}

By the looks of it, I would say the sulphuric acid is a catalyst because all the other substances are ions and the sulphuric acid is not so is not really in a state to be used. If this is the case then I can see nothing wrong with your redox statements.

H2SO4 in aqueous solution is dissociated as well. So you have made a mistake at the beginning of your reasoning...

Hope that might have helped. Gurus, enlighten us :smile:

Here goes the enlightenement:

Sulphuric acid server two purposes.

First, it is necessary in the solution containing Fe3+ to ensure pH is low enough to disallow precipitation of Fe(OH)3.

Second, in order for the Cr2O72- ions to work as oxidizer H+ ions are necessary (so they are not catalysing reaction, they are a substrate), as the half reaction is

Cr_2O_7^{2-} + 14H^+ +6e^- \rightarrow 2Cr^{3+} + 7H_2O

Fe2+ ions are oxidized to Fe3+.
 
Borek said:
H2SO4 in aqueous solution is dissociated as well. So you have made a mistake at the beginning of your reasoning...
I realized what I had implied when I turned my PC off but I didn't have time to turn it on, change it and get to college on time.

I do apologise.

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
Simply balance the redox reaction equation, your gen chem text should teach you how to do this, it's very simple.
 
Overall, it may be that the addition of the acid is necessary to increase the conductivity of water; this is a redox reaction after all. This is my guess, though I'm not certain.
 

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