What Songs Mirror the Essence of Simon and Garfunkel's Classics?

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The discussion revolves around identifying songs that capture the essence of Simon and Garfunkel's classics. Participants explore various artists and songs that share similarities in style, harmony, and emotional impact, with a focus on folk and rock genres.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest the Everly Brothers for their perfect harmonies, while noting their songs can be overly sentimental.
  • Others mention Brewer and Shipley, though they feel the songwriting does not match Simon and Garfunkel's quality.
  • A few participants express a desire for 'big' songs that are instantly recognizable, comparing them to classical music by Beethoven or Mozart.
  • Some propose that songs by the Rolling Stones and Led Zeppelin, such as "Battle of Evermore," could be on par with Simon and Garfunkel's work.
  • Marc Cohn and Boz Scaggs are mentioned as artists with strong production values and vocal quality similar to Simon and Garfunkel.
  • Discussion includes the Beatles, with some arguing they cater to a broader audience compared to Simon and Garfunkel's more sensitive and educated fanbase.
  • Participants also mention contemporary artists like the Decemberists and Kings of Convenience, as well as classic groups like Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young and Peter, Paul, and Mary.
  • Seals & Crofts are highlighted for their strong folk elements and harmonies.
  • Some express uncertainty about the categorization of songs and artists, leading to a broader exploration of musical influences and styles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of opinions on which artists and songs mirror Simon and Garfunkel's style, with no clear consensus on specific recommendations. The discussion remains open-ended with multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the definition of 'big' songs is subjective, and there are unresolved questions about the emotional and musical qualities that define the essence of Simon and Garfunkel's music.

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Readers interested in music comparisons, particularly those who appreciate folk and rock genres, may find this discussion relevant.

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What are some songs that are similar to the great hits of Simon and Garfunkel?
 
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That's tough! Their voices were a perfect match and Simon's song-writing was inspired.

If you want to back up a bit, the Everly Brothers had perfect harmonies, though their songs were often more than a bit sappy. Fast-forward to the Sweethearts of the Rodeo for those tight Everly Brothers harmonies with Nashville/country songs. "Midnight Girl in a Sunset Town" is a great one.
 
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turbo-1 said:
That's tough! Their voices were a perfect match and Simon's song-writing was inspired.

If you want to back up a bit, the Everly Brothers had perfect harmonies, though their songs were often more than a bit sappy. Fast-forward to the Sweethearts of the Rodeo for those tight Everly Brothers harmonies with Nashville/country songs. "Midnight Girl in a Sunset Town" is a great one.


It could just be me but the song in the youtube doesn't seem 'big'. I was looking for 'big' songs like 'Bridge over trouble waters', 'Mrs Robinson', 'Sound of silence'. Everly Brothers had some of those.

'Big' may not be good word to describe those songs. Its just that those songs I pointed out have music that one instaneously 'recognise' and enjoy. It's hard to say. Some of the famous classical musics by Bethovan or Mozart are like that as well.
 
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I know what you mean. S&G's voices were always up-front, and the instrumentation was always crafted to frame that. Hard to find that quality in later work. You might want to sample some Brewer and Shipley stuff, though the song-writing does not approach S&G, IMO.
 
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It could just be me but the song in the youtube doesn't seem 'big'. I was looking for 'big' songs like 'Bridge over trouble waters', 'Mrs Robinson', 'Sound of silence'. Everly Brothers had some of those.

'Big' may not be good word to describe those songs. Its just that those songs I pointed out have music that one instaneously 'recognise' and enjoy. It's hard to say. Some of the famous classical musics by Bethovan or Mozart are like that as well.

Perhaps you're interested in the "name that music" thread. Now why did that die?
 
Some of the Rolling Stones rock ballads would be on a par as would the likes of Battle of Evermore by Led Zeppelin
 
turbo-1 said:
I know what you mean. S&G's voices were always up-front, and the instrumentation was always crafted to frame that. Hard to find that quality in later work. You might want to sample some Brewer and Shipley stuff, though the song-writing does not approach S&G, IMO.

They weren't over produced. Something you can't say about Paul Simon's later work.

I'd say Eric Taylor's "Dean Moriarty" and "Saturday" are like that. They grab you right off the bat and I kind of felt like I'd heard the "Dean Moriarty" song before the first time I heard it. (Of course, I might have - he was a band member and husband to Nanci Griffith and played or wrote a few songs for some other artists before he finally made an album in '95.)
 
I guess if I were to pick a songwriter with a fantastic voice and great production values, I'd pick Marc Cohn. Boz Scagg's "Come on Home" CD gets a lot of play, too, as does Dwight Yoakum's "This Time". Yoakum's producer is his lead guitarist - killer licks.
 
umm...

The Beatles?
 
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Funny, there is a song being played a lot at the moment, and every time I hear it I expect it to break into the 'li la li' chorus of Simon and Garfunkle's the boxer. It sounds a bit the same, but isn't as powerful (big?), doesn't have the harmonies, nor quite as narrative, but does have similar a similar gentle melody and folksy guitar.


For many of those other things, maybe the Mamas and Papas?
 
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pivoxa15 said:
'Big' may not be good word to describe those songs. Its just that those songs I pointed out have music that one instaneously 'recognise' and enjoy. It's hard to say. Some of the famous classical musics by Bethovan or Mozart are like that as well.

Queen was really big on drama and production and were even known to incorporate classical music, though their lyrics tended to be a bit more idiosynchratic. As already mentioned, there are many songs in the Beatles' catalog that fit your description and I would recommend Abbey Road in particular. Also, Oasis, who I sometimes consider to be the poor man's classic rock, had a number of epic tracks that were also very catchy (e.g. All Around the World, The Masterplan).

More recently, the Decembrists have made a name for themselves making epic tunes with a more traditional flavor. Might be worth a listen.
 
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Try some Moxy Fruvous or Flying Pickets, both vocally very strong, even a-capellesque (ouch!).
 
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J77 said:
umm...

The Beatles?

They have a few good ones but their songs cater for the mass population whereas I feel S&G are catered for a smaller population (the educated?? as both S and G were educated in university). Or maybe the sensitive?
 
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pivoxa15 said:
They have a few good ones but their songs cater for the mass population whereas I feel S&G are catered for a smaller population (the educated?? as both S and G were educated in university). Or maybe the sensitive?
Bridge Over Troubled Waters was in the album charts for years! S & G had a huge following from all walks of life.
 
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Art said:
Bridge Over Troubled Waters was in the album charts for years! S & G had a huge following from all walks of life.

Offcourse but compare them to the Beatles...

Maybe Savage Garden is like a modern version of S&G.
 
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besides the Everly Brothers, Beatles, Queen, & others mentioned, there's...
Peter, Paul, and Mary
some of The Fifth Dimension
some of the Mamas and the Papas
Crosby, Stills, Nash (& Young)
The Hollies
 
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pivoxa15 said:
They have a few good ones but their songs cater for the mass population whereas I feel S&G are catered for a smaller population (the educated?? as both S and G were educated in university). Or maybe the sensitive?
You can't say that! :biggrin:

Not all "educated" people have attended university.

If you want some "sciency" type songs -- with a bit of pretention -- maybe check out the Flaming Lips: The Soft Bulletin.

Back to artists who have stood the test of time... Bowie! (A favourite among many academics I know -- perhaps he fits your "educated" category :wink:)
 
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The Kings of Convenience are the closest comtempory band, I reckon.
 
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Not sure how he was educated, but I just remembered a fact that others here might find interesting if it hasn't been mentioned before, that the father of the singer and songwriter of the Eels, Mark Oliver Everett, was Hugh Everett, who proposed MWI.

edit: now I remember where I heard this, it was on an ad for this show, that I haven't seen.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7113098.stm
 
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