What Speed Does a 790kg Mass Need to Move a 1523kg Mass?

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The discussion revolves around determining the speed required for a 790kg mass to move a 1523kg mass. The context includes considerations of collision dynamics, friction, and the specific scenario of a car impacting another vehicle at rest.

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  • One participant inquires about the speed needed for a 790kg mass to move a 1523kg mass, seeking assistance due to a lack of recent physics knowledge.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the nature of the interaction, asking whether the smaller mass is colliding with the larger one, and whether the collision is elastic or inelastic, or if the smaller mass is pulling the larger one.
  • A participant clarifies that the smaller mass is indeed colliding with the larger one and mentions the friction condition as semi damp Tarmac, suggesting a coefficient of friction around 0.8.
  • Another participant notes that the coefficient of friction on damp Tarmac would likely be lower than 0.8, referencing a previous discussion in a general physics forum.
  • A further contribution presents two scenarios: one where the 1523kg mass is attached to the 790kg mass, indicating that more power would be needed to move the combined mass, and another where a collision occurs, suggesting that even a small velocity would impart some motion to the 1523kg mass depending on the mass ratio.

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Participants express differing views on the specifics of the scenario, particularly regarding the effects of friction and the nature of the collision. No consensus is reached on the exact speed required or the implications of the friction conditions.

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Limitations include the lack of precise definitions for the friction coefficient under the stated conditions and the assumptions made regarding the type of collision (elastic vs inelastic). The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps needed to calculate the required speed.

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How would I work out how fast a mass of 790kg would have be traveling to move a mass of 1523kg?

It's been a long time since I've done physics so any help would be great.

Thanks guys!
 
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We need more information -- is the smaller mass colliding with the larger one? If so, is the collision elastic or inelastic? Or is the smaller mass pulling the larger one? Is there friction involved? Etc..
 
Hey mate the smaller mass is colliding with the larger one. The friction would be semi damp Tarmac which from what I've looked at already is 0.8?
I can't remember anything about technical terms in physics.
Basically I want to know how fast my car(pug 107-790kg) would have to travel to shunt the vehicle infront(vectra- 1524kg) if it was at a complete stand still.

Thanks for replying :)
 
Asked and answered in the general physics forum. Damp tarmac will drop the coefficient of friction down well below 0.8. The answer there was based on an assumption of dry pavement.
 
1, Suppose you have the 1523kg mass attached to the 790kg mass by a (very strong) rope and you start moving, then by the moment the 790kg mass will move the 1523 will also move...you will just need more power because you move a mass of ~1523+790 kg.

2. Suppose you want to crash into that 1523kg mass car with yours... then you just need to hit it... even with a very small velocity, you are going to give the other car some portion of it, depending on your cars' masses ratio ... if you want to give some certain velocity to the 1523kg car, then you just have to ask about it.
 

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