What stands for probability in QFT?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of probability in quantum field theory (QFT), exploring how probability is defined and calculated within this framework. Participants address the application of the Born rule, the role of the number operator, and the relationship between QFT and classical electromagnetic fields.

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  • Some participants assert that probability in QFT is defined using the Born rule, which allows for the calculation of the average number of particles measured in a given state.
  • Others emphasize that the Born rule provides not only the average number of particles but also the probability of finding a specific number of particles in a Fock state.
  • A question is raised about the explicit forms of states in QFT, suggesting that knowing these forms could facilitate the calculation of probabilities for those states.
  • Participants discuss the expectation values for classical electromagnetic fields and inquire about analogous expressions for static electromagnetic fields.
  • There is mention of non-relativistic QFT in condensed matter physics, which is said to relate to the non-relativistic Schrödinger equation and may provide explicit wave function forms for many identical particles.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation and application of probability in QFT, particularly regarding the use of the Born rule and the nature of states in QFT. No consensus is reached on these points.

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Participants note the limitations of their discussions, including the dependence on definitions and the unresolved nature of certain mathematical steps related to probability calculations in QFT.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum field theory, particularly in relation to probability, particle states, and the connections between QFT and classical physics.

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When we apply creation operator in vacuum we certainly have one particle,similarly for annihilation operator.Then what is stand for chance(probability) in QFT?
 
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Probability in QFT is still given using the Born rule. You can use the number operator as the observable in the Born rule, eg. section 4.6 http://hitoshi.berkeley.edu/221b/QFT.pdf. When you use that in the Born rule, you get the average number of particles that will be measured for the state.

There is an analogous formalism in the simple harmonic oscillator.
https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-04-quantum-physics-i-spring-2016/video-lectures/part-2/number-operator-and-commutators/
 
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Can we know explicitly the form of /x1,x2,...xn> or /1p,2p,...,np> in QFT,then we can calculate the probability of that state?
 
Classical EM field equal expectation: <n_k/E/n_k>, here <n_k/=/0_k>+/1_k>+...
What is similar expression for static EM field?(Because it seems to me <n_k/ for static EM field were /0_k> so corresponding expectation were 0)
 
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Probability in QFT is still given using the Born rule. You can use the number operator as the observable in the Born rule, eg. section 4.6 http://hitoshi.berkeley.edu/221b/QFT.pdf. When you use that in the Born rule, you get the average number of particles that will be measured for the state.

There is an analogous formalism in the simple harmonic oscillator.
https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-04-quantum-physics-i-spring-2016/video-lectures/part-2/number-operator-and-commutators/
The Born rule doesn't only give the average number of particles but even more information, namely with which probability you find ##N## particles, ##N \in \mathbb{N}_0##. If you have an ##N##-particle Fock state, you find with probability 1 ##N## particles (with an idealized detector of course).
 
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fxdung said:
Can we know explicitly the form of /x1,x2,...xn> or /1p,2p,...,np> in QFT,then we can calculate the probability of that state?

In condensed matter physics, there is non-relativistic QFT which is equivalent to the non-relativistic Schroedinger equation for many identical particles. So there the expression should have an explicit form as a wave function.
https://www.cond-mat.de/events/correl13/manuscripts/koch.pdf (see section 4 on second quantization)
 
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fxdung said:
Classical EM field equal expectation: <n_k/E/n_k>, here <n_k/=/0_k>+/1_k>+...
What is similar expression for static EM field?(Because it seems to me <n_k/ for static EM field were /0_k> so corresponding expectation were 0)

There is a discussion in Weinberg's Quantum Theory of Fields Vol 1 Section 13.6 "External Field Approximation": "It is intuitively obvious that a heavy charged particle like the nucleus of an atom acts like the source of a classical external field. In this section we will see how to justify this approximation, and will gain some idea of its limitations."
 
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