What Temperature Causes the Piston to Move in a Saturated Water Vapor System?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a cylinder containing saturated water vapor and the conditions required for a piston to move. The scenario includes specific parameters such as temperature, pressure, and mass, with a focus on understanding the relationship between these factors in a thermodynamic context.

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  • Participants explore the calculation of pressure needed for the piston to move and question the geometry and mechanics of the system. There is an attempt to clarify the conditions under which the water transitions from liquid to vapor and how that affects the piston movement.

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Some participants have provided insights into the pressure-temperature relationship during the phase change, while others are seeking clarification on the setup and mechanics of the piston system. The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored.

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There are uncertainties regarding the visualization of the piston system and the specific conditions under which the piston moves. Participants are also addressing assumptions about the state of the water and the effects of evaporation on the system.

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A cylinder contains 1kg of saturated H20 at 30C. This piston has a cross-sectional area of .065m^2, a mass of 40kg, and rests on stops. With the piston in this position, the volume of the H20 is .1m^3. The external atmospheric pressure is 94Kpa and g is 9.75m/s^2. Heat is transferred to the system until the cylinder contains saturated H2O vapor.

1. Sketch the problem on T-v and p-v diagrams.
2. What is the water temperature when the piston just moves off of the stops?

I've been stumped on part 2 for hours. Here's how far I am: The first thing I did was calculate the pressure at which the piston would move up off of the stops. Since at that exact moment the piston won't actually be moving, I can say that Psys*Apiston - Patm*Apiston - m(piston)*g = 0.

Solving, I get Psys = (Patm*Apiston + m(piston)*g)/Apiston. This calculation yields 100KPa.




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I can't visualize the pistion you are describing. I assume it is completely full of water, but I don't get the geometry. What moves when the water evaporates? What doesn't move? Where are these "stops"
 
well here is about the best I can do away from home...

The H20 is in the bottom. The piston is frictionless thus the space between it and the cylinder. Hope that helps a bit.
 

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Hey if the H2O is at 100kpa and the piston is free to move with the expansion from saturated liquid to saturated vapor then the pressure is a constant and the temperature during the expansion will be the saturated temp. Due to the fact that the substance will be moving along the isobar in a p-t diagram and along the isotherm in the p-v diagram.

Hope that makes sense and helps
 

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