What times is the bird flying horizontally/vertically?

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The problem involves analyzing the flight path of a bird described by the parametric equations x=t-cos(t) and y=3-2sin(t) over the interval 0≤t≤4π. Participants are tasked with determining the times when the bird is flying horizontally and vertically, as well as finding the corresponding (x,y) coordinates.

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  • Participants discuss the conditions for horizontal and vertical flight based on the derivatives dx/dt and dy/dt. They explore specific times where dy/dt=0 and dx/dt≠0 for horizontal flight, and dx/dt=0 and dy/dt≠0 for vertical flight. Questions arise regarding the implications of both derivatives being zero simultaneously.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the meaning of simultaneous zero derivatives and discussing the implications for the bird's motion. Some guidance is provided regarding the interpretation of the (x,y) coordinates, with suggestions to substitute t values into the original equations.

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There is an emphasis on the time interval from t=0 to t=4π, and participants note the need to consider all relevant intervals for t in their analysis.

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The flight of a bird follows the curve x=t-cos(t), y=3-2sin(t)... where 0<=t<=4pi is the time in seconds.
a) What times is the bird flying horizontally? find the (x,y) coordinates of the corresponding points.
b) What times is the bird flying vertically? find the (x,y) coordinates of the corresponding points.

my work:
i found dx/dt=1+sin(t)
dy/dt=-2cos(t)
and therefore dy/dx=(-2cos(t))/(1+sin(t))

The bird flies horizontally when dy/dt=0 and dx/dt=/=0, right?
dy/dt=0 at t=pi/2 and 3pi/2. However, dx/dt=0 when 3pi/2, so would it be just pi/2?

Same problem for part b. The bird flies vertically when dx/dt=0 and dy/dt=/=0.
dx/dt=0 at t=3pi/2, but dy/dt equals zero then. What does this mean for the bird's flight?
 
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dannyxyeah said:
The flight of a bird follows the curve x=t-cos(t), y=3-2sin(t)... where 0<=t<=4pi is the time in seconds.
a) What times is the bird flying horizontally? find the (x,y) coordinates of the corresponding points.
b) What times is the bird flying vertically? find the (x,y) coordinates of the corresponding points.

my work:
i found dx/dt=1+sin(t)
dy/dt=-2cos(t)
and therefore dy/dx=(-2cos(t))/(1+sin(t))

The bird flies horizontally when dy/dt=0 and dx/dt=/=0, right?
dy/dt=0 at t=pi/2 and 3pi/2. However, dx/dt=0 when 3pi/2, so would it be just pi/2?

Same problem for part b. The bird flies vertically when dx/dt=0 and dy/dt=/=0.
dx/dt=0 at t=3pi/2, but dy/dt equals zero then. What does this mean for the bird's flight?
Indeed, what does it mean if both dx/dt = 0 and dy/dt = 0 simultaneously ?

Also, don't forget, the flight is from t = 0 to t = 4π.
 
SammyS said:
Indeed, what does it mean if both dx/dt = 0 and dy/dt = 0 simultaneously ?
Would it mean that the bird was either stationary or floating in place?

SammyS said:
Also, don't forget, the flight is from t = 0 to t = 4π.

Ah, that means I need to include every interval of pi/2 up until 8pi/2 correct?
 
dannyxyeah said:
Would it mean that the bird was either stationary or floating in place?
Stationary --- momentarily, but stationary.
Ah, that means I need to include every interval of pi/2 up until 8pi/2 correct?
Yes.
 
SammyS said:
Stationary --- momentarily, but stationary.
Great, thank you!

Also, how do you interpret the "find the (x,y) coordinates of the corresponding points"? What do you reckon it's asking for? Just to plug in the different t values into each x and y equation initially given?
 
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dannyxyeah said:
Great, thank you! So I would omit any values of t at which dy and dx=0. Otherwise is my work correct? :D Also, how do you interpret the "find the (x,y) coordinates of the corresponding points"? What do you reckon it's asking for? Just to plug in the different t values into each x and y equation initially given?
Certainly, if dx/dt=0 and dy/dt=0, the bird is stationary, and thus is not flying in any direction.

To find the location at any particular time, yes, just plug the time into the expressions for x & y .
 
ignore this please. I got it :)
 

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