What units are used after eV, MeV, GeV, etc, are divided by c^2?

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The discussion revolves around the units used when dividing energy units like electronvolts (eV) by the square of the speed of light (c²) in the context of mass. Participants explore the implications of this division and the units involved, including the nature of c in various systems of measurement.

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  • One participant notes that mass is often expressed in electronvolts and questions the units resulting from dividing eV by c².
  • Another participant suggests that the resulting units would be kilograms or grams, but is uncertain about the units for c.
  • A participant clarifies that the electron-volt is a unit of energy and explains the relationship between mass and energy, providing a mathematical expression for mass in terms of eV/c².
  • Some participants discuss systems of units where c is set to 1, suggesting that these systems may be more useful for describing particles than traditional units like kilograms or joules.
  • There is a contention regarding the characterization of "light-years per year" as dimensionless, with differing opinions on the nature of such units.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriate units and the implications of using c in various systems. There is no consensus on the best approach or terminology to describe these concepts.

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The discussion highlights potential ambiguities in language used by physicists and the need for clarity when discussing units of mass and energy. There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and implications of different unit systems.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying particle physics, unit conversions in physics, or the relationship between mass and energy in various measurement systems.

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I know that the mass of subatomic particles is usually given in electronvolts, and that c^{2} is set to 1 so that we can say, "This particle has a mass of 13 eV." However, if you divide 13 eV by c^{2}, you get an answer, x. What units is this in?

Oh, also, what units do we use c in in the first place? km/s, m/s, mi/s?
 
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I believe it is Kilograms or grams since that is the unit of mass. Cant say for the c.
 
Juxtaroberto said:
I know that the mass of subatomic particles is usually given in electronvolts

This is sloppy language which is unfortunately commonly used by physicists.

The electron-volt (eV) is a unit of energy, equal to 1.602e-19 joule.

When someone says "the mass of an electron is 511 keV" he really means, "the energy-equivalent of the mass of an electron is 511 keV" or "the rest-energy of an electron is 511 keV" or "the mass of an electron is 511 keV/c^2." Mathematically,

m_e c^2 = 511 \rm{ keV}

Dividing through by c^2 we get

m_e = 511 \rm{ keV}/c^2

so the eV/c^2 is a unit of mass, equal to (1.602e-19 J)/(2.998e8 m/s)^2 = 1.782e-36 kg.

To check this, 511 keV = 511 x 1000 x 1.782e-36 kg = 9.108e-31 kg which is indeed the mass of an electron in kg.
 
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This language is fortunately commonly used by physicists.
There are several systems of units in which c=1 and is dimensionless.
(Distance in light-years and time in years is one.)
All of those systems are more useful than kg or joules in describing an electron.
 
clem said:
There are several systems of units in which c=1 and is dimensionless.
(Distance in light-years and time in years is one.)

I wouldn't call "light-years per year" dimensionless.
 

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