What Variables Must X̅ Have in Order to be Considered a Partial Molar Quantity?

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The discussion centers around the concept of partial molar quantities in thermodynamics, specifically focusing on their definitions and the types of variables associated with them. Participants are exploring the characteristics of partial molar properties, particularly in relation to extensive and intensive variables.

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  • Participants are attempting to define partial molar quantities and question what types of variables must be associated with them. There is a focus on understanding the distinction between extensive and intensive properties, as well as the implications of these definitions in the context of chemical systems.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the nature of partial molar quantities and their associated variables. Some have provided definitions and examples, while others express confusion and request further explanation. Multiple interpretations of the question are being explored, indicating a productive dialogue.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of thermodynamic definitions and properties, with specific reference to the phase rule and the requirements for specifying a system at equilibrium. There is mention of relevant equations and properties that may influence the understanding of partial molar quantities.

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Hi everyone!

It's about the following task.

Partial molar quantities
a) How are partial molar quantities defined in general?
b) If X is an extensive state variable and X̅ is the associated partial variable, what types of variables must X̅ have?
c) Is the chemical potential of component i in a mixture a partial molar quantity? Why?
d) Is the chemical potential of component i in a mixture a partial molar quantity? Why? Justification?

I have some difficulties in answering some questions, especially the question b) If X is an extensive state variable and X̅ is the associated partial variable, what types of variables must X̅ have?
Unfortunately, I don't have a clue how to answer it. I only know that partial molar quantities are intensive variables like pressure, temperature and so on. But what types of variables must X̅ have? Can you explain me that please?
 
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physicisttobe said:
Homework Statement: partial molar quantities
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Hi everyone!

It's about the following task.

Partial molar quantities
Partial molar properties apply to solid, liquid, and gaseous solutions of chemical constituents.

physicisttobe said:
a) How are partial molar quantities defined in general?
A partial molar property for species "i" is defined as $$\bar{X}_i=\left(\frac{\partial X}{\partial n_i}\right)_{T,P,n_j,\ all\ j\neq i}$$where the n's are numbers of moles of the various species in the solution.

physicisttobe said:
b) If X is an extensive state variable and X̅ is the associated partial variable, what types of variables must X̅ have?
##\bar{X}_i## is an intensive property that depends on T, P, and the mole fractions of all chemical constituents
physicisttobe said:
c) Is the chemical potential of component i in a mixture a partial molar quantity? Why?
The partial molar Gibbs free energy of a chemical species is defined as its chemical potential.
 
@Chestermiller, thank you so much for your reply. So the answer to that question "If X is an extensive state variable and X̅ is the associated partial variable, what types of variables must X̅ have" is: the variables are T,p, and the mole fraction ni because they are all intensive?
 
And I noticed that I forgot to post all the relevant equations for that task.
The complete task looks like this (see below).
The question d) is false because V and S are not constant, they are not intensive, V and S are extensive properties. Therefore, they can not be considered as constant. Is my consideration correct?
 

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@Chestermiller, thank you so much for your reply. So the answer to that question "If X is an extensive state variable and X̅ is the associated partial variable, what types of variables must X̅ have" is: the variables are T,p, and the mole fraction ni because they are all intensive?
I don't quite understand this question. Can you rephrase it? The phase rule tells us that for a single phase system containing N chemical components, the number of intensive variables required to specify the system at chemical equilibrium is N +1: T, P, and N-1 mole fractions.
 
The question is: If X is an extensive state quantity and X̅ is the associated partial quantity, what types of variables must X̅ have?
I think we should explain the properties of partial molar quantities. Which characteristics do they have? We shoul count the different variables of these partial quantities.
 
physicisttobe said:
And I noticed that I forgot to post all the relevant equations for that task.
The complete task looks like this (see below).
The question d) is false because V and S are not constant, they are not intensive, V and S are extensive properties. Therefore, they can not be considered as constant. Is my consideration correct?
Consider this. The definition of G is $$G=U+PV-TS$$So we have $$dG=dU+PdV+VdP-TdS-SdT$$In addition, we have: $$dG=-SdT+VdP+\sum{\mu_i dn_i}$$What do you get if you eliminate dG from these equations and solve for dU?
 
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I think dU= TdS - PdV + sum of ... dni ?
But what does that equation have to do with the question above? Should we not explain what types of variables X̅ must have? Please apologize, I'm a lil bit confused.
 
physicisttobe said:
I think dU= TdS - PdV + sum of ... dni ?
But what does that equation have to do with the question above? Should we not explain what types of variables X̅ must have? Please apologize, I'm a lil bit confused.
Sorry. I have no idea what "what types of variables X̅ must have" means. Can you provide an example of what you mean.
 

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