What was Feynman's stance on interpretation of quantum mechanics?

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The discussion revolves around Richard Feynman's stance on the interpretation of quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to the texts by Sakurai and Gasiorowicz. Participants explore whether these texts align with specific interpretations of quantum mechanics, such as the Copenhagen interpretation or the many-worlds interpretation, and whether understanding these interpretations is necessary for studying quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Sakurai and Gasiorowicz belong to the "shut-up-and-calculate" camp, implying a focus on practical calculations rather than interpretations.
  • There is a question about whether one can study quantum mechanics without understanding its interpretations, with some arguing that it is possible if one treats mathematical quantities as mere objects without attributing additional meaning.
  • One participant distinguishes between two types of interpretations: those that help interpret mathematical predictions and those that describe the underlying reality of quantum processes, noting that interpretations in quantum mechanics are less straightforward than in classical theories.
  • A later reply challenges the attribution of the "shut-up-and-calculate" phrase to Feynman, asserting that it is actually due to David Mermin and arguing that Feynman's views align more closely with those of Bohr and Heisenberg, citing a quote from Feynman that reflects a deterministic view of quantum amplitudes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on Feynman's interpretation of quantum mechanics, with some asserting a connection to the "shut-up-and-calculate" philosophy while others argue for a more nuanced understanding aligned with Bohr and Heisenberg. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these interpretations for studying quantum mechanics.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of interpretations in quantum mechanics and the potential for differing definitions and assumptions that may affect the discussion. There is also mention of the need for clarity regarding the distinction between mathematical formalism and physical interpretation.

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Hi
please answer my question. quantum mechanic in Sakurayi , Gaziorovich books belong to which of interpretations(many worlds, copenhagen, ...)? thanks.:confused:
 
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It's been a while since I read those books. Did they even mention interpretations? I think they're both in the shut-up-and-calculate camp. (By the way, most of us here think Ballentine is a better advanced book than Sakurai, and I think there are lots of introductory books that are much better than Gasiorowicz. I also think that no matter what books you study for your classes, it would be a good idea to read Isham book on the side).
 
I mean that, can we study the quantum books, without knowing of interpretations. Do the postulates of quantum mechanics rely on interpretations?
 
efaizi said:
I mean that, can we study the quantum books, without knowing of interpretations. Do the postulates of quantum mechanics rely on interpretations?

They are following Feynman's "Shut Up And Calculate" interpretation.

Zz.
 
efaizi said:
I mean that, can we study the quantum books, without knowing of interpretations. Do the postulates of quantum mechanics rely on interpretations?
We certainly can. At least if we can resist the temptation to attribute any more meaning to the mathematical quantities than we have reason to. Just think of state vectors as nothing more than mathematical objects that we associate with equivalence classes of state preparation procedures, and you'll do fine.

There are at least two different types of interpretations in physics.

1. To turn a piece of mathematics into a theory of physics, you need to write down a set of axioms that tells us how to interpret the mathematics as predictions about results of experiments.

2. To turn a theory of physics into a description of what actually happens between state preparation and measurement, you may or may not need an additional set of axioms that tells you how to interpret the statements that the theory makes about other things than measurements.

Interpretations of the second kind are absolutely trivial when we're dealing with classical theories. There's always an obvious interpretation. Not so in QM. An "interpretation of quantum mechanics" can be a set of statements that belongs to the second category, but they sometimes change the definition of the theory as well, which means that they're have a foot in each category.

ZapperZ said:
They are following [strike]Feynman's[/strike] Mermin's "Shut Up And Calculate" interpretation.
You might be interested in http://scitation.aip.org/journals/doc/PHTOAD-ft/vol_57/iss_5/10_1.shtml?bypassSSO=1 .
 
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ZapperZ said:
They are following Feynman's "Shut Up And Calculate" interpretation.

Zz.

It makes me a little angry when such a stupid and mindless statement is attributed to one of the great geniuses of the 20th century. First of all, the 'shut up and calculate' 'interpretation' is due to David Mermin. Secondly, on the matter of Feynman's position on interpretation of quantum mechanics, it is clear that his views were in line with Bohr and Heinsenberg, as the following quote shows:

"It is very interesting that in the quantum mechanics the amplitudes φ are solutions of a completely deterministic equation. The interpretation of |φ|² as the probability of an event is an indeterministic interpretation. It is very remarkable that this interpretation does not lead to any inconsistencies. That it is true has been amply demostrated by analysis of many particular situations Heisenberg, Bohr, Born, von Neumann and many other physicists. We know we have a consistent interpretation of φ, and almost without doubt, the only consistent one."
 

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