What Would Happen if Only the Rich Could Become Super Smart?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the implications of a scenario where only the wealthy could become significantly more intelligent, contrasting this with narratives from literature and film. Participants consider the societal, economic, and ethical consequences of such a divide in intelligence, as well as the definitions and distinctions between being "smart" and being educated.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant references Poul Anderson's novel "Brain Wave," suggesting that a sudden increase in intelligence could lead to societal collapse, with money and government structures potentially disappearing.
  • Another participant mentions the movie "Charly," indicating that sudden changes in intelligence can lead to significant emotional and social upheaval.
  • Some participants argue that if everyone becomes smart, the relative value of intelligence diminishes, leading to a paradox where "if everyone is smart, then no one will be."
  • A distinction is made between education and intelligence, with one participant asserting that being well-educated does not necessarily equate to being smart, emphasizing the importance of traits like discipline and dedication.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the potential for widespread intelligence to lead to dangerous outcomes, such as the proliferation of nuclear weapons or lethal viruses, depending on how society chooses to use that intelligence.
  • Several participants debate the definition of "smartness," with discussions on its relationship to technical ability versus understanding societal consequences.
  • There is a suggestion that the ability to create dangerous technologies is not solely dependent on intelligence but also on access to resources and equipment.
  • One participant questions how to categorize intelligence and smartness, noting that interpersonal skills and the ability to work with others are crucial for success in many fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the implications of increased intelligence among the wealthy, with no consensus on whether such a scenario would lead to societal improvement or decline. The definitions of "smartness" and intelligence remain contested, with multiple competing perspectives present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of defining intelligence and smartness, indicating that these concepts may not be easily categorized. There is also an acknowledgment of the potential societal consequences of intelligence disparities, but no clear resolution is reached regarding these implications.

  • #61
Danger said:
I'd rather just be tossed into a ditch and let the coyotes take care of me.
What happens to your body after your death is not of consequence to you, it is of consequence to the loved ones who survive you. :wink:
 
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  • #62
DaveC426913 said:
What happens to your body after your death is not of consequence to you, it is of consequence to the loved ones who survive you. :wink:

Nice try, but the only person with the authority to make the call knows my wishes and won't violate them. In fact, she would disinherit herself if she did so.
 
  • #63
I used the term "heaven" to indicate a state of mind, not a place you go after you die. We do all make choices like Charlie and probably with as little knowledge about what the true consequences would be as Charlie would have. We're well aware that we could and will lose a life that is as close as one can get to our individual version of heaven but this certainly doesn't stop many many us from choosing to find and create that life, because although we know it will not be permanent, we're willing to take the risk of going so high that, like Icarus, the fall will kill us. But what a ride it was.

The saddest people I know are the ones who for some reason, choose to destroy their own happiness through actions of choice.

What made me think about this is a really nice decent, intelligent, attractive, kind young adult I talked to recently, who deliberately destroys any relationship they have with a kind and caring person and who invariably goes back to one who is abusive, and I don't mean just a little bit abusive. I asked this person why and they replied, when I'm with a really good person I always think I don't deserve them. Yes this person had a bad life but it could have been much worse and the person's mother had a much worse life yet makes every effort to continue to improve her situation.

Some won't make the climb because of the pretty great certainly that they will fall, but others, like Charlie, go as high as they can because it's worth it to go there even temporarily.

(A legitimate reason to opt for burial rather than cremation - if at any point after your death medical problems in your living family appear to be inherited or there is some medical question about your death, they can always dig you up and check it out. Also it seems nicer to serve as fertilizer for plants and trees that produce oxygen than to pollute the air with the combustion byproducts)
 
  • #64
Actually, combustion pollutants are pretty low in a crematorium, and the ashes can still be used as a mild fertilizer.
I see your point, though, and apologize for misinterpreting your original statement. Translated to my terms, you were asking if I would bang Sandra Bullock even knowing that I could never do it again. Absolutely! Given my health condition, the experience would probably kill me, but it would be worth it.
 

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