What Would Happen if Usain Bolt Ran at the Speed of Light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the hypothetical scenario of Usain Bolt running at the speed of light, focusing on the implications of relativistic physics, including mass, time dilation, and the warping of space-time. Participants examine the theoretical aspects of this scenario, including the effects on observers and the runner himself.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if Usain Bolt were to approach the speed of light, his mass would become infinite, referencing E=mc².
  • Others clarify that the relationship between mass and energy is more complex, suggesting a different equation for relativistic mass.
  • There is a discussion about whether space-time would warp, with some stating it depends on the observer's frame of reference.
  • Participants debate whether light would bend around Bolt, with differing interpretations of what "bend" means in this context.
  • Some argue that time would appear to slow down for the observer watching Bolt, while others assert that it is Bolt's time that appears to slow down from the spectator's perspective.
  • One participant suggests that from the spectator's view, Bolt would appear to be moving incredibly fast, but his physiological processes would seem slowed down.
  • Another point raised is that from Bolt's perspective, the crowd would appear to be moving rapidly past him, challenging the notion of him standing still.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the implications of relativistic effects, particularly concerning mass, time dilation, and the perception of motion. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on several key points.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying interpretations of relativistic effects, the dependence on the observer's frame of reference, and the complexity of equations relating mass and energy. There are also unresolved questions about the nature of light bending and the effects of friction on running.

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Help me out please. I need a definitive comment for a book I'm writing. Hypothetically - if Usain Bolt were to approach (c) in a 100m sprint - his mass would become infinite right? basic E=Mc2.

At inifinite mass - space-time would warp (correct?). And light would bend (right?)

Can I say that time will appear to slow down to an observer (spectator) watching Usain in motion?

Note: I am an economist not a physicist. So please don't shoot me down if I have it wrong. Correct me. But I really need a good answer. Many thanks!
 
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Hi there,

Not an expert in this field either, but
idiotphysics said:
Hypothetically - if Usain Bolt were to approach (c) in a 100m sprint - his mass would become infinite right? basic E=Mc2.

True, but not with this equation. This tells us only that energy and mass are closely related. His mass would follow something like this:

[tex]\frac{m}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}[/tex]

idiotphysics said:
space-time would warp (correct?). And light would bend (right?)

Not from what I understand of it. The space-time dimension would change for Usain, but not for you that is watching him. For the bendin light, and again from your point of view, it would be hard for light to bend around him, since he would be moving at the same speed.


idiotphysics said:
Can I say that time will appear to slow down to an observer (spectator) watching Usain in motion?

Once again, not from my understanding of the sîtuation. Nothing happened to you, therefore, why would time/space or any other dimension change just because he is running. But these parameters would change for him.

Now, as I said, I am not an expert in relativity. So if I made mistakes, I am also here to learn something new.

Cheers
 
idiotphysics said:
At inifinite mass - space-time would warp (correct?).
This depends on what you mean by "warp." To me, that word could refer to two different things: (1) The difference in the perception of flat spacetime between two observers in different states of motion. (2) Curvature of spacetime.

If you mean 1, then the answer is yes. If you mean 2, then it depends on the observer. In Bolt's own frame, spacetime is flat. In the frame of an observer watching him run at close to c, Bolt's high mass-energy causes intense gravitational fields, which GR describes in terms of curvature of spacetime.

idiotphysics said:
And light would bend (right?)
This depends on whether "bend" refers to (1) aberration, or (2) bending of light by gravitational fields.

idiotphysics said:
Can I say that time will appear to slow down to an observer (spectator) watching Usain in motion?
To the spectator, it's the runner's time that appears to slow down, not his own time. To the runner, the spectator's time appears to slow down.
 
fatra2 said:
True, but not with this equation. This tells us only that energy and mass are closely related. His mass would follow something like this:

[tex]\frac{m}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}[/tex]
There's nothing wrong with the OP's use of [itex]E=mc^2[/itex] to express this relationship. Depending on conventions about what is meant by the symbol m (rest mass or relativistic mass), your equation and his can give the same result. (As a minor technical point, it isn't really correct to try to use either one of these relationships to find gravitational fields, because in GR the source of the field is the stress-energy tensor, not the scalar mass.)
fatra2 said:
it would be hard for light to bend around him, since he would be moving at the same speed.
He can't move at c. He can only move at a speed close to c.
 
bcrowell said:
To the spectator, it's the runner's time that appears to slow down, not his own time. To the runner, the spectator's time appears to slow down.


1. So is it fair to say that to a spectator (stationary) it would appear as if Bolt was running through an invisible sticky syrup or slow motion?

2. I read somewhere that for the runner (in this case Bolt) it would seem as if he was standing still (at reast) and if he looked at the crowd - they would be zipping by.

What are the facts please? And my gratitude for your time & interest.
 
idiotphysics said:
1. So is it fair to say that to a spectator (stationary) it would appear as if Bolt was running through an invisible sticky syrup or slow motion?

Well...this is a bit confused. Of course, from the spectator's view, he's going at incredible speed - close to the speed of light, so not slow motion in this sense. His run would be over in a flash. But it's also true that, from the spectator's point of view, Bolt's wrist-watch, his heart-rate, all the process would be slowed down.

However, one exciting fact that always gets the readers going is the fact that Bolt would look incredibly thin. Moving objects shrink in the direction of motion (in the stationary observer's frame), so Bolt would appear to be incredibly compressed and flattened, probably not even a hair's breadth between his back and front.

2. I read somewhere that for the runner (in this case Bolt) it would seem as if he was standing still (at reast) and if he looked at the crowd - they would be zipping by.

meh - this is just the relativity of motion - the idea that you can treat an object moving with constant velocity as at rest, and other things moving wrt to him. In a sense, this is an everyday experience - just go on a train or a plane and it seems as though the world is zipping by. In practice, there are frictional forces acting on runners which slow them down, and that's why running requires effort. This isn't really particularly relativistic.

What's shocking is that, from Bolt's point of view, it's the audiences clocks that are running slow, and the track that seems to have been length contracted to a hair's breadth. Now, that is relativistic.
 

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