What Would You Pay? A Thought Experiment

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a thought experiment involving a coin-flipping game where participants must determine how much they would be willing to pay to play. The game presents an infinite series of potential payouts based on the outcome of successive coin flips, raising questions about expected value, risk, and personal utility in decision-making.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the game's structure, questioning the expected value and the implications of infinite payouts.
  • One participant suggests they would pay $2 to play, while another proposes £4 as a reasonable amount.
  • Several participants discuss the asymmetry of consequence, noting that the potential loss may outweigh the perceived gains, which complicates the decision on how much to pay.
  • There are differing views on the interpretation of probabilities associated with winning at various stages of the game, with some arguing that the probabilities are not equally distributed.
  • One participant introduces the idea of personal utility functions, suggesting that individual circumstances affect how one perceives risk and reward.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the game is designed to exploit players, indicating a general wariness towards such gambling scenarios.
  • Another participant raises the question of how much one would accept to play the game if representing the house, suggesting that the unmodified game would not warrant any finite amount.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how much one should pay to play the game, with multiple competing views on expected value, risk assessment, and personal utility. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal amount to wager.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the game's assumptions, particularly regarding the interpretation of probabilities and the consequences of potential losses. The discussion reflects a range of perspectives on risk aversion and the psychological factors influencing decision-making in gambling scenarios.

  • #31
DaveC426913 said:
I see a qualitative distinction between
- performing activities that one need to do accomplish things in one's daily life, knowing those activities carry a risk of failure, and
- taking a risk purely for the thrill of the possible win.

Strictly using the term gambling, I would apply it to the latter but not the former.

Where would you put investing in a mutual fund? Starting your own business? Objectively, the latter has a relatively low probability of success, but a favorable expectation (or so you judge).
 
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  • #32
I have an objection to the reasoning that the expected gain is infinite.

Rather, the expectation value E(X) is infinite. However, one must ask "how does E(X) acquire its usual meaning of the expected gain?". The answer is: "due to some limit theorem". These limit theorems (e.g. law of large numbers) requires that E(X) is finite. Consequently, the math doesn't seem to tell us anything about the expected gain.
 
  • #33
I'd bet 4$. You have a 50/50 chance of losing 2$ on the first toss. If you don't lose you have a 50/50 chance of winning 4$ (8-4=4) on the next. You also will keep doubling up for every consecutive tails you throw after the first one. If you throw 3 tails in a row you have 16$ and a 50/50 chance to double it on the next toss, as well as after every additional tails thrown.
 

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