What ya' think of Lady Gaga in meat?

[nucleargirl]

man! people really do get worked up about this!
ok here's what she said (just watched the Ellen show interviewng her) and it is like this:
people who don't fight for their rights are eventually only going to have as much rights as the meat on their bones. so she's trying to tell us we should stand up for what we believe in.
its probs to do with some gay people not being allowed in the army law that she's trying to get banned?

 

[Proton Soup]

even her "art" is boring.

but it serves the purpose. it gets her on Ellen to explain it, gets free publicity, and gets bank.

best of all, it plays well to teenyboppers, just like all the menstruation imagery.

 

[nismaratwork]

even her "art" is boring.

but it serves the purpose. it gets her on Ellen to explain it, gets free publicity, and gets bank.

best of all, it plays well to teenyboppers, just like all the menstruation imagery.

Naturally, she's her own product, and she has to sell it, and not only on Ellen; this has been on the news cycling over 24 hours. In the absence of a new album, what else is there, right? Her new thing was a very odd pair of... claw... shoes she wore: we're already on to the next "gaga".

DaveC: Well said, but Vertices seems a bit too convinced of his own moral rectitude to allow women to decide for themselves what is or is not degrading. Note that in his posts, he doesn't seem to find men having sex on camera degrading to all men, for the same reason that it is (to him) for women, or by representing men as "carnal beasts"... and pizza delivery men.

Vertices: In your own very PC way, you're pigeonholing women by making these broad statements about what degrades them or not. I also may not agree with Jackmell... in fact I'm pretty sure that I don't... but he seems to be making a dispassionate argument about human nature, not the "she was asking for it" argument. If I'm wrong, I'm sure he'll correct me, but based on his other posts I'd be shocked if he were saying anything other than "men are horny, women use that to their advantage." I think that's still ignoring the male end of the same spectrum as well as the disadvantageous nature of that arrangement. That being said, it's far from saying that women are objects to be "taken".

YOU on the other hand, should recognize that there is a vast difference between feminism, and the simple desire that all people be treated fairly and with respect. Feminists, in the literal "radical feminist" sense no more speak for women than PETA currently speaks for animal rights supporters. I LOVE animals, but PETA is insane...

Personally, I was raised such that I find most pornography, all stripping and prostitution depressing, and not erotic. I think of the degradation of self that led the women and men involved (and buddy, you're ignoring gay male porn in addition to straight men in porn) to cross strong cultural norms and use their bodies as a means of currency. If you show me someone in that business who isn't, for lack of a better term, f***ed up, I'll be into that one person... haven't seen that person though.

You're focused on an image you believe is projected on an entire gender, rather than the plight of an individual. In essence, you're inventing victims where none exist, and ignoring the ones that DO exist; relish the irony.

 

[nismaratwork]

she sings better than me, i'll give her that

So you're not Susan Boyle then? I'm crushed sir!

 

[leroyjenkens]

Perhaps this will put things in more perspective:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3aQRzAOy7Y

I wish I was powerful, influential and could captivate millions of people around the universe by doing that.

 

[DaveC426913]

Women (or people in general) should be free to do whatever they like as long their actions don't harm others (or themselves). But feminists would argue that a statistically signficant number of porn stars do go on to have serious mental health issues, and more significantly, their work reinforces ridiculous, socially constructed notions such as those espoused by jackmell (which basically serves as an egregious justification for rape).

Yes. Excellent points. This is a much more rational stance than the usual "it degrades all women" argument.

 

[nismaratwork]

Yes. Excellent points. This is a much more rational stance than the usual "it degrades all women" argument.

Gee, and here I thought I was the one who brought up the mental health issues, instead of painting women as so easily degradable. Really, this just shows that we abuse the stupid and the damaged... which is hardly news. In essence, we continue to underestimate mental illness and the effects of trauma in our insistence to assign everything as "personal responsibility".