What's the Correct Interpretation of |r| in Math?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the absolute value notation |r| in mathematics, particularly in relation to the inequalities -1 < r < 1 and |r| < 1. Participants are exploring the meaning and implications of these expressions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Some participants attempt to clarify the meaning of |r|, suggesting it encompasses all values of r within 1 unit of 0, including negative values. Others question the equivalence of the statements |r| < 1 and -1 < r < 1, seeking to understand how they relate to each other.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the definitions and implications of the absolute value notation. Some have pointed out potential typos in the hints provided, indicating a need for further clarification.

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There are mentions of a typo in the hint regarding the interpretation of |r|, which may have contributed to confusion among participants. Additionally, the layout of the forum may have affected visibility of certain hints.

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I thought |r| means the positive values of r? Why do they say it means -1<r<1? Also, if |r| means -1<r<1 then why do they say |r|<1 when |r| is already -1<r<1 ?
 
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phospho said:
I thought |r| means the positive values of r?
No that's not what |r| means. It means all of the values of r that are within 1 unit of 0. That would include -.5, for example, not just positive values (and zero) of r.
phospho said:
Why do they say it means -1<r<1? Also, if |r| means -1<r<1 then why do they say |r|<1 when |r| is already -1<r<1 ?

These two statements say exactly the same thing: |r| < 1 and -1 < r < 1. They are equivalent statements.
 
Mark44 said:
No that's not what |r| means. It means all of the values of r that are within 1 unit of 0. That would include -.5, for example, not just positive values (and zero) of r.


These two statements say exactly the same thing: |r| < 1 and -1 < r < 1. They are equivalent statements.

|r| is it not the absolute value of r? if so then I don't understand how it can be negative.

how can they also be equivalent when they said |r| is -1<r<1 then they are saying |r|<1, which is -1<r<1 < 1?
 
phospho said:
|r| is it not the absolute value of r?
Yes
phospho said:
if so then I don't understand how it can be negative.
Who is "it"? There are two things we're talking about here - r and |r|. Which one do you mean?
phospho said:
how can they also be equivalent when they said |r| is -1<r<1
No. I didn't say "|r| is -1<r<1".

I said that |r| < 1 (first statement) and -1 < r < 1 (second statement) were two statements that said exactly the same thing. They are equivalent statements.
phospho said:
then they are saying |r|<1, which is -1<r<1 < 1?
Now, who are "they"? I said that |r|<1 and -1<r<1 [STRIKE]< 1[/STRIKE] were equivalent statements
 
There is a typo in the hint. It should be: |r|<1 means -1<r<1.
 
Erland said:
There is a typo in the hint. It should be: |r|<1 means -1<r<1.
To be honest, I didn't notice that. I have my browser open to less than full-screen width, and didn't notice that hint way off to the right.
 

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