What's the Difference Between Algebras and Sigma-Algebras in Probability?

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The discussion revolves around the differences between algebras and sigma-algebras in the context of probability theory. Participants explore definitions, properties, and implications of these concepts, as well as their relevance in probability calculations and measure theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for the difference between an algebra and a sigma-algebra, noting that a sigma-algebra is an algebra closed with respect to countable unions.
  • Another participant suggests that sigma-algebras may be limited to finite intersections, raising concerns about continuous random variables and countable additivity of probability.
  • A participant provides an example of an algebra that is not a sigma-algebra, specifically mentioning the system of finite and co-finite subsets of any infinite set.
  • There is a discussion on the necessity of sigma-algebras for ensuring sigma-additivity in probability measures, with a follow-up question about the rationale behind this requirement.
  • One participant questions the definitions being used for algebras and sigma-algebras, implying that the proof of every sigma-algebra being an algebra could be straightforward under certain definitions.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of sigma-additivity for performing probability calculations involving limits of sequences, whether of events or random variables.

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Participants express varying perspectives on the definitions and implications of algebras and sigma-algebras, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus.

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Limitations include potential ambiguities in the definitions of algebra and sigma-algebra, as well as unresolved questions about the necessity of sigma-additivity in probability theory.

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I'm currently taking a college level probability course and I am stuck on a couple questions involving algebras and sigma-algebras.

Let S be a fixed set.

1. What is the difference between an algebra on S and a sigma-algebra on S?

2. Why do we require an event space to be a sigma algebra instead of an algebra?

3. Find a set S and an algebra A on S such that A is not a sigma-algebra on S.


Also, I have a proof that I could use some hints on how to start and the general form in which I should go about it.

Prove that every sigma-algebra on S is an algebra on S.

Thanks.
 
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I suspect it has something to do with sigma-algebras being limited to only finite intersections.

Continuous random variables cause problems of you assume countable additivity of probability for point events.

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MathNerd said:
I'm currently taking a college level probability course and I am stuck on a couple questions involving algebras and sigma-algebras.

Let S be a fixed set.

1. What is the difference between an algebra on S and a sigma-algebra on S?
A sigma algebra is an algebra closed wrt countable unions.
2. Why do we require an event space to be a sigma algebra instead of an algebra?
Because we want probability/measure to be sigma-additive.
3. Find a set S and an algebra A on S such that A is not a sigma-algebra on S.
The system of finite and co-finite subsets of any infinite set forms an algebra which is not a sigma algebra.
Prove that every sigma-algebra on S is an algebra on S.
What definitions of algebra and sigma-algebra are you using? Under most definitions, this would be trivial (perhaps requiring the use of de Morgan's laws).
 
Why do we require an event space to be a sigma algebra instead of an algebra?

Preno said:
Because we want probability/measure to be sigma-additive.

Perhaps not entirely responsive... the next question would be "why do we want that?"

So ... How about:

In order to do probability calculations involving limits of sequences. Either sequences of events or more generally sequences of random variables.
 

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