What's the difference between these 2 problems?

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The discussion revolves around the differences between Gaussian elimination with back substitution and the Gauss-Jordan method for solving systems of equations. Participants explore the historical context, practical applications, and the clarity of definitions related to these methods.

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  • One participant questions whether Gaussian elimination with back substitution and the Gauss-Jordan method are essentially the same.
  • Another participant suggests that the distinction may not matter as long as the system is solved, noting the confusing history and naming conventions of the methods.
  • Some participants express that the Wikipedia page lacks clarity regarding the differences between the two methods.
  • It is proposed that the essential idea involves performing elementary row operations to achieve certain matrix forms, with multiple practical approaches available.
  • One participant asserts that Gaussian elimination is more efficient than Gauss-Jordan elimination, which they claim is primarily useful for theoretical purposes.
  • A reference to a book by Meyer is provided for further analysis of the differences between the two methods.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between Gaussian elimination and Gauss-Jordan elimination, with some asserting they are distinct while others suggest the differences may be negligible in practice. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity and significance of the distinctions.

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There are limitations in the clarity of definitions and historical context surrounding the methods, as well as unresolved questions about the efficiency and applicability of each method in various scenarios.

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Problem 1: Use Gaussian elimination with back substitution to solve the following system.
Problem 2: Use the Gauss-Jordan method to solve the following system.

I've worked on both of these types of problems but I didn't notice the difference between these 2 types of problems. Aren't the Gaussian elimination with back substitution and the Gauss-Jordan method the same thing?
 
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The wikipedia page is not at all clear, search for "Gauss-Jordan" to see where it talks about it.
 
verty said:
The wikipedia page is not at all clear, search for "Gauss-Jordan" to see where it talks about it.

Exactly. That's why I said what I said.
 
The important thing is the general idea of performing elementary row operations on a matrix to make some of the matrix elements zero. There are more than two practical ways to do this.

IMO debating exactly who discovered (or rediscovered) which particular method is a question for historians, not mathematicians.
 
Thanks for the help, guys.
 
Gaussian elimination is not at all the same as Gauss-Jordan elimination. Gaussian elimination is always the more efficient way to solve equation. Gauss-Jordan is only really useful for theoretical purposes.

More information (with a nice analysis of the difference between Gauss and Gauss-Jordan) can be found in Meyer: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0898714540/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
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