What's the Formula for Calculating the Density of a Gas Mixture?

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The discussion centers on the formula for calculating the density of a gas mixture, exploring various approaches and considerations related to the properties of gases, particularly in the context of ideal gas behavior. It includes theoretical aspects and mathematical reasoning.

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  • One participant asks for the formula for the density of a gas mixture, noting that simple addition of densities (ρ1 + ρ2) does not apply.
  • Another participant proposes a formula for the density of the mixture as ρ=(m1+m2)/(V1+V2), emphasizing the need for knowing the ratio of the components in terms of volume, mass, or molar fractions.
  • A participant questions the assumption of volume additivity in the context of gas mixtures.
  • It is noted that the general formula for density can be combined with the ideal gas law, but conditions such as pressure and temperature must be specified for the components' densities.
  • There is a discussion about whether volumes are additive for ideal gases, with one participant asserting that they are, while another clarifies that their previous example does not apply to gases.
  • A later reply states that while gases occupy the same volume in a container, their pressures are additive, and densities defined at partial pressures are also additive.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the additivity of volumes for gases, with some suggesting that under ideal conditions, volumes may be considered additive, while others challenge this assumption. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions under which the density formula applies.

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Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of volume and density in the context of gas mixtures, as well as the need to specify conditions such as pressure and temperature for accurate calculations.

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what's the formula for the density of a gas mixture? Thank you!
ρ1=m1/v1
ρ2=m2/v2
but the gas mixture isn't ρ1+ρ2.
 
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The density of the mixture is ρ=(m1+m2)/(V1+V2).
From this basic definition you can find various expression, as a function of the given quantities. You need to know the ratio between the two components (in volume , mass, molar fractions etc).
For example, if the volume fractions are given,
V1=c (V1+V2)=c V
V2=(1-c) V

Then
ρ=(ρ1 V1+ρ2 V1)/(V1+V2)=[ρ1 c V+ρ2 (1-c) V]/V=ρ1 c + ρ2 (1-c)
 
heeey, but volume is not additive. Should i assume it is?
 
Oh, you specified that you are interested in gases.
The example does not apply then but the general formula does.
Combined with the ideal gas law, should give you the result for any specific case.
In this case you have to decide in what conditions (pressure, temperature) do you take the densities of the components .
If we take the densities of the components at their partial pressures then you we can write
ρ=ρ1+ρ2 where ρ1=m1/V and ρ2=m2/V where V is the total volume of the mixture.
Is this what you need?
 
ohhhh... if the gases are ideal, volumes are additive then, right?
 
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alexmath said:
ohhhh... if the gases are ideal, volumes are additive then, right?
No, I did not say that. I agreed that my example with additive volumes does not apply for gases. Sorry for not being clear enough.
If you have two gases in a container, each one occupies the volume of the container. They have the same volume and this is equal to the volume of the mixture too. Their pressures are additive (see partial pressures). And the densities, defined at the component's partial pressure, are additive too.
 

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