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The discussion revolves around calculating the shortest distance an ant can travel from one vertex of a cube to the furthest vertex. The problem involves understanding geometric paths and the implications of unfolding the cube to visualize the shortest route.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore different methods to calculate the distance, including the use of the Pythagorean theorem and the concept of unfolding the cube. Questions arise about the feasibility of the ant moving along the diagonal and the rationale behind the shortest path.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with various interpretations being discussed. Some participants suggest the unfolding method as a clear approach, while others question the assumptions about the ant's movement along certain paths. Guidance has been offered regarding visualizing the problem through unfolding.

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Participants are considering the constraints of the problem, such as the physical movement of the ant and the geometric properties of the cube. The discussion includes references to mathematical expressions and potential methods for minimization without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement



Question: An ant starts at one vertex of a solid cube with side of unity length. Calculate
the distance of the shortest route the ant can take to the furthest vertex
from the starting point.
Now, in the answer, the cuboid is unfolded and a rectangle of side 1 and 2 is formed. Calculating the hyptoneuse gives the distance.

That was the proposed solution. I wanted to calculate it via sqrt(1+1+1). Why is my answer wrong?

Homework Equations


H^2=P^2+B^2

The Attempt at a Solution


Sqrt( 1^2+1^2+1^2)
 
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Asad Raza said:

Homework Statement



Question: An ant starts at one vertex of a solid cube with side of unity length. Calculate
the distance of the shortest route the ant can take to the furthest vertex
from the starting point.
Now, in the answer, the cuboid is unfolded and a rectangle of side 1 and 2 is formed. Calculating the hyptoneuse gives the distance.

That was the proposed solution. I wanted to calculate it via sqrt(1+1+1). Why is my answer wrong?

Homework Equations


H^2=P^2+B^2

The Attempt at a Solution


Sqrt( 1^2+1^2+1^2)
Yes, the shortest distance between the furthest vertices is along the body diagonal (the red line in the picture) but can the ant move along it?
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Then it should be 1+sqrt2
 
Asad Raza said:
Then it should be 1+sqrt2
And the answer is sqrt5
 
Asad Raza said:
Then it should be 1+sqrt2
Why? It is not the shortest distance.
Follow the hint in the solution, unfold the cube. The shortest way between the red points is the straight line segment connecting them.
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But how can an ant travel along the diagonal you've made?
 
Asad Raza said:
But how can an ant travel along the diagonal you've made?
The ant can climb on a sheet of paper, either it is folded or unfolded.
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Cut the pattern in Post #5 and fold it to make a cube.
 
ehild said:
The ant can climb on a sheet of paper, either it is folded or unfolded.
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Cut the pattern in Post #5 and fold it to make a cube.
Got it. But without unfolding it, how'd you get the intuition, or prove rationally, that it is shortest path?
 
Asad Raza said:
Got it. But without unfolding it, how'd you get the intuition, or prove rationally, that it is shortest path?
Unfolded, it is the same sheet of paper, as the cube was made of. On the plane sheet, the shortest path between two points is the straight line connecting them. So unfold the cube, connect the two points with a straight line, fold back making the cube, and you see the shortest path on the surface of the cube.
This method is very easy and can be used for other shapes which can be unfolded into a plane pattern.
But you can do it mathematically. The path should cross an edge, see figure. Write up the length of the path as the sum s1+s2, in terms of x. Find the minimum.
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Asad Raza said:
Got it. But without unfolding it, how'd you get the intuition, or prove rationally, that it is shortest path?

Sometimes problems are difficult to solve one way, but quite easy if looked at in another way. This is one of those problems: the "unfolding" method makes it straightforward.

The alternative would be to not unfold the cube, but to express the distance in terms of some relevant variable or variables, then perform a minimization, using calculus, for example.
 
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