What's the speed of the ball 1 second after it was kicked?

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The discussion centers around determining the speed of a soccer ball one second after it has been kicked, given its initial horizontal and vertical velocities. The problem involves concepts from kinematics, particularly relating to projectile motion and the effects of gravity on vertical velocity.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between initial velocity components and the effects of gravity on vertical motion. There are attempts to calculate both the initial and final velocities, with some confusion regarding the distinction between speed and velocity.

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Several participants have provided feedback on the calculations and assumptions made in the original post. There is an ongoing exploration of how to correctly apply vector addition and the role of angles in the calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to separate horizontal and vertical components of motion.

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Participants are questioning the definitions and components of velocity, particularly the vertical and horizontal aspects. There is also mention of the need to clarify the instantaneous speed versus average speed in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


A soccer ball is kicked with an initial horizontal velocity of 15m/s and an initial velocity of 16m/s.
What's the speed of the ball 1 second after it was kicked?

Homework Equations


Initial velocity = sqrt([horiz. Velocity]^2 + [vertical Velocity]^2)

Final velocity = initial velocity + (gravity*time)

The Attempt at a Solution


Initial velocity = sqrt (15^2 + 16^2)
Initial velocity = 22m/s

Final velocity = 22m/s + (9.81m/s*1second)
Final velocity = 31.81 m/s
 

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You are confusing velocity with speed. "Gravity*time" acts on the vertical component of the velocity only, not on the speed.
 
Speed is distance over time.
I calculated that the distance traveled by the ball is (22sin (2*46.8))/ 9.81 = 49.24 meters

So after one second that the ball was kicked, speed = 49.24m / 1 second = 49.24 m/s
This is still incorrect
 
Melina said:
Speed is distance over time.
I calculated that the distance traveled by the ball is (22sin (2*46.8))/ 9.81 = 49.24 meters

So after one second that the ball was kicked, speed = 49.24m / 1 second = 49.24 m/s
This is still incorrect

Please explain your work. For instance, what angle are you taking the sine of?

Also we don’t want the distance over time, that gives an average speed. We want the instantaneous speed, I would assume.
 
I got 46.8 degrees from using the initial horizontal velocity: 15m/s and the vertical velocity: 16m/s.
Theta = tan^-1 (16/15)
Theta = 46.8 degrees
 
Melina said:
I got 46.8 degrees from using the initial horizontal velocity: 15m/s and the vertical velocity: 16m/s.
Theta = tan^-1 (16/15)
Theta = 46.8 degrees
Why arctangent? You said 16 m/s is the initial speed, not the vertical component.

Either way you don’t need to worry about angles. What is the vertical speed over time? What is the horizontal speed over time? So then what is each after one second?
 
Melina... In your attempt at a solution in #1 you are doing the vector addition to work out the speed too soon.

Try doing the vector addition after one second.
 
Melina said:
Final velocity = initial velocity + (gravity*time)
That is true as a vector equation, but later you applied is as though it were a statement about speeds. The 22m/s is not in the vertical direction, but the acceleration is vertical.
Nathanael said:
You said 16 m/s is the initial speed, not the vertical component.
That was an omission in post #1. The attachment says vertical.
 
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