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I was just wondering how old you were, and what got you to finally understand math?

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I was just wondering how old you were, and what got you to finally understand math?

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Why do you ask this? are you having some issues in math?

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I am 24 and I still don't understand math

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Some people enjoy hiking though.

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:uhh:I was just wondering how old you were, andwhat got you to finally understand math?

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For those of you that have seen that Jim Carry movie

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I understood how addition of numbers works when I was a kid of 5; I don't still understand how Laplace Transforms work.

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I just mean, when did you start realizing you could actually do math, and possibly do well at it?

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math, the ability to draw new insights from symbolic logic, is extremely hard.

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There was a guy who used to post here named Waht who had the kind of breakthrough you're talking about. For years he couldn't stand math and it just confused him. Then something happened to his way of thinking about it in high school and over the course of a few weeks he suddenly "got" it and started to appreciate what it was all about. It had "clicked". After that he enjoyed it.I just mean, when did you start realizing you could actually do math, and possibly do well at it?

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First time I can remember was after learning division in elementary school, later that day my dad taught me binary. Realizing arithmetic worked in binary was an amazing discovery for me; realizing counting made sense in a new way, also had a huge impact on me.

Second time I can remember was high school I suppose. I'm not exactly sure what I was studying... Maybe geometry, maybe even calculus... but I know I understood a^2+b^2=c^2 in a vague algebraic way, and I knew how I was supposed to apply it to triangles, but when someone actually drew the picture of a right triangle and each side "squared" and explained how Pythagoras came up with the equation, it was a pretty amazing moment. Definitely "clicked."

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It was upon this realization that physics is what I wanted and what I needed to study that I came to realize the importance of math. I sort of define physics to be the application of math to the scientific method. Even in my very early days I was forced to take notice how math formed the basis of physics (and thus to me it formed the basis of science.)

After I took this notice I began studying math in a detail which I had never before undertook. I read an algebra and then a precalculus book cover to cover (none of my foundations were solid so I had to work my way up to calculus.) It was at THIS particular time, reading textbooks cover to cover that math "clicked" to me in the sense that I think you are referring. I simply had never given math this sort of time or comprehensive a treatment. An unintentional side effect was that I found math to be infinitely entertaining in the process :D

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We just started Rings and Fields in my abstract algebra course. My brain is giving me the finger.

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That's what I'm talking about, I'm kind of going through the same thing. I don't always know how to get the idea of what I am trying to say across.There was a guy who used to post here named Waht who had the kind of breakthrough you're talking about. For years he couldn't stand math and it just confused him. Then something happened to his way of thinking about it in high school and over the course of a few weeks he suddenly "got" it and started to appreciate what it was all about. It had "clicked". After that he enjoyed it.

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I don't think this happens to everyone. Most people understand in small increments, just as it's presented to them. Others are increasingly confused in small increments as it's presented to them. Most of the latter are doomed, but in rare cases a thresh hold is crossed and it all suddenly starts to make greater sense.That's what I'm talking about, I'm kind of going through the same thing. I don't always know how to get the idea of what I am trying to say across.

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If I may speculate for a moment, however, I will state that, in order to be successful at mathematics in this modern era, it matters less on how well you can do computational problems, and more so on your ability to solve abstract problems and think in abstract ways. It is more rewarding, and more beneficial for the field and for its occasional real-word applications, for new, out of the box thinking to be supported and striven for.

With the current high school mathematics curriculum, they focus less on the latter, and more on the former, largely giving you the skills to solve various forms of problems in various ways, and not much more than that. It isn't until you get into college that true mathematical thinking is stressed. Making a transition from thinking computationally to abstractly is by no means an easy task, and quite possibly the moment that mathematics "clicks" for certain individuals is invariably the moment in which they have developed the skill of thinking mathematically.

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At the moment I'm just happy to understand any math :)

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I was pretty much raised with numbers, so I can't remember a time when math didn't click. It almost always just made something make even more sense (those little arithmetic short cuts you first memorized or figured out yourself without really knowing why they worked).

For example, on road trips, our family played a game called "Sevens". Each person counts around the "circle" (1, 2, 3, etc), except if the number ends in 7 or is a multiple of 7, the person has to clap instead of saying the number.

The key series was when you reached the 7000's. You can't get 5 to 8 people to all count 1000 straight claps correctly. Until you, being the oldest, realize you don't have to. As soon as you hit 7000, you can figure out exactly how many times you personally have to clap and who is going to be the person to say "8000". So you get to the point where the older kids are using some sort of strategy besides counting and the youngest develop their first strategy - "There's 6 people (or however many were playing), so it's probably not going to be me that has to say 8000. I'll just keep clapping until someone says 8000. If I'm the person that 8000 winds up on, so be it, but I don't want to be the one that says 8000 early". And, finally, the group successfully gets to 8000 and panic hits - "I never even thought about what the first multiple of 7's in the 8000's! Doh!" But, with a little thought, you realize 7000 should have started the series over if we hadn't been doing all of that clapping, so 8001 is the same as 1001, and is the first multiple of 7 and it's on you go from there.

And, eventually, every single kid in the car is using some arithmetic strategy and the game loses its point. You have a few hold outs that think we should go for the 70,000's, but seriously - it takes approximately 15 minutes for every 1000 - who wants to count for 20+ straight hours?! (Or clap for 2 and 1/2 straight hours when you finally do reach the 70,000's.)

You finally realize the game was meant to improve your number skills and at some point, you all have just outgrown the game.

So, in my family, it would have been hard to imagine not being good with numbers - even harder than to imagine not being good at bowling (the other family past time).

(We played this years later at a family reunion and I was amazed how inept our spouses and relatives were at this game. They couldn't get out of the two digit numbers without making a mistake, let alone get into three digit numbers.)

For example, on road trips, our family played a game called "Sevens". Each person counts around the "circle" (1, 2, 3, etc), except if the number ends in 7 or is a multiple of 7, the person has to clap instead of saying the number.

The key series was when you reached the 7000's. You can't get 5 to 8 people to all count 1000 straight claps correctly. Until you, being the oldest, realize you don't have to. As soon as you hit 7000, you can figure out exactly how many times you personally have to clap and who is going to be the person to say "8000". So you get to the point where the older kids are using some sort of strategy besides counting and the youngest develop their first strategy - "There's 6 people (or however many were playing), so it's probably not going to be me that has to say 8000. I'll just keep clapping until someone says 8000. If I'm the person that 8000 winds up on, so be it, but I don't want to be the one that says 8000 early". And, finally, the group successfully gets to 8000 and panic hits - "I never even thought about what the first multiple of 7's in the 8000's! Doh!" But, with a little thought, you realize 7000 should have started the series over if we hadn't been doing all of that clapping, so 8001 is the same as 1001, and is the first multiple of 7 and it's on you go from there.

And, eventually, every single kid in the car is using some arithmetic strategy and the game loses its point. You have a few hold outs that think we should go for the 70,000's, but seriously - it takes approximately 15 minutes for every 1000 - who wants to count for 20+ straight hours?! (Or clap for 2 and 1/2 straight hours when you finally do reach the 70,000's.)

You finally realize the game was meant to improve your number skills and at some point, you all have just outgrown the game.

So, in my family, it would have been hard to imagine not being good with numbers - even harder than to imagine not being good at bowling (the other family past time).

(We played this years later at a family reunion and I was amazed how inept our spouses and relatives were at this game. They couldn't get out of the two digit numbers without making a mistake, let alone get into three digit numbers.)

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I tried it with my wife just for fun, but I couldn't get out of the one digit numbers.

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Dr. Feynman really points out the correlation between understanding science and appreciating the world around us.people — I mean the average person, the great majority of people, the enormous majority of people — are woefully, pitifully, absolutely ignorant of the science of the world that they live in, and they can stay that way … And an interesting question of the relation of science to modern society is just that — why is it possible for people to stay so woefully ignorant and yet reasonably happy in modern society when so much knowledge is unavailable to them? - Richard Feynman

As long as you have the motivation and the determination, any course can be an amazing experience.

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when I started out learning about math, I was apparently "good" at it, so I liked it, because it made me feel smart. Though of course that was in like elementary school, but math never really got any harder until high school.

Later on I would read stuff about what people thought of math, and I would hear that math is "beautiful" and I was very confused by this at first. So I started trying really hard to see the beauty in math. And it's definitely not beautiful like a pretty girl is beautiful, but rather I think I've started to think it's beautiful in the sense that it all *works*.

That's the other thing about math, is that whenever I encounter something that throws me for a loop, I keep myself from getting too frustrated by remembering "it all follows the rules, it's not being made up, it's not something that is impossible to understand"

I just need to follow the rules, and I will get it. Math is just based on rules, so if I follow the rules... I can follow the math.

So like someone else said, I think. Sometimes it clicks, sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't, just keep working at it. If it was impossible to understand, then it wouldn't be math ^^