When Can You See the Sunset and Sunrise at Vinson Massif in Antarctica?

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The discussion revolves around the visibility of sunset and sunrise at Vinson Massif in Antarctica, particularly focusing on the timing of these events during the transition from summer to winter. Participants are interested in the conditions under which these phenomena can be observed, including temperature expectations and potential cloud cover at high altitudes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a belief that Antarctica is always dark during winter and seeks clarification on when sunset and sunrise can be observed at Vinson Massif.
  • Another participant provides specific dates and times for the last sunset and first sunrise, along with links to data sources for further calculations.
  • A participant discusses the nature of daylight at the poles, suggesting that the sun moves in a spiral rather than a traditional arc, which may affect perceptions of sunrise and sunset.
  • There is a mention that altitude affects the timing of sunrise and sunset, indicating that higher elevations experience these events earlier.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the experience of sunrise and sunset at the poles, with differing views on the nature of these events and their visibility. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact conditions and experiences related to observing these phenomena at Vinson Massif.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need to consider altitude corrections for the timing of sunrise and sunset, as well as the potential for cloud cover affecting visibility. There are also references to temperature averages that may not account for specific conditions at high altitudes.

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Hi all,

I was under the impression that during the winter the sky is always dark in Antarctica. I am specifically interested in the mountain Vinson Massif. I am trying to find out at what time of the year one could observe either a sunset or sunrise under the coldest conditions possible and at the highest altitude possible. Vinson Massif seems to me to be the best pick of both of these conditions.

So can anyone tell me the date of the last sunset in the summer and the first sunrise in the winter? Also, do you know kind of temperature to expect at the summit of Vinson Massif at these moments? Finally, is there often cloud cover below the summit which would block viewing of the ground below?

Thanks.
 
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Last sunset prior to the winter 22 April 1803 GMT
First sunrise August 21 1700 GMT

Data can be computed here:
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneYear.html

Scroll down to Form B:

Long: west 85 degrees 37 minutes
Lat: South 78 degrees 32 minutes

Temperatures: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/work/gistemp/STATIONS//tmp.700890340000.1.1/station.txt (Belgrado station)

monthly averages around -18 -20 degrees celsius, not corrected for orographic effects.

better bring a body wamer.
 
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natski said:
I was under the impression that during the winter the sky is always dark in Antarctica. [...] I am trying to find out at what time of the year one could observe either a sunset or sunrise [...]

Poles actually do not have a "long day" and a "long night" as such, but more like one normal day stretched accros the whole year. The sun is spiralling across the sky, one full circle each standard day, rather than moving in an arc that we've come to expect in the small to moderate lattitudes. So, there is one long dawn, long morning, long afternoon, etc.

The "sunrise" would be the tip of the sun starting to circle around the horizon, growing more and more until it fully pops up (in couple of standard days?) Therefore, not that I was there to see it personally, but I imagine that observing sunrise/sunset on the poles would be quite a boring experience... Unless, perhaps, you were stationed there for months already, and are eagerly awaiting it :)

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Also about those dates and times, those should be corrected for altitude. The higher you are the earlier the sun rises. Should be easy math though.
 

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