When Do Kids Start Learning Physics in School?

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The discussion revolves around when students typically begin learning physics in school and the foundational knowledge required for pursuing physics. Participants share their experiences and suggestions for newcomers to the subject, focusing on the importance of mathematics and resources for self-study.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express their inexperience with physics and seek guidance on where to start learning.
  • There are suggestions for introductory resources, including books and TV series, that can help build a foundational understanding of physics.
  • Participants emphasize the importance of mastering middle and high school mathematics, including algebra, geometry, and calculus, as essential for studying physics.
  • One participant notes that general-audience physics books may not be as helpful for formal physics classes compared to a solid math background.
  • There is a discussion about the pace of math education in different countries, with some participants suggesting that U.S. math education is slower than in other regions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of mathematics in learning physics and the value of certain resources. However, there are differing opinions on the pace of math education and when specific subjects should be introduced, indicating multiple competing views on educational approaches.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention varying educational systems, such as the absence of middle schools in Australia, which may influence their learning paths. There is also uncertainty about the timing of algebra introduction in different educational systems.

Who May Find This Useful

New students interested in physics, educators looking for insights on student preparedness, and individuals curious about the educational pathways in physics and mathematics.

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Hi, I am totally new to physics as in I haven't even started to learn it at school and wanting to learn it here, and i don't know where to start. :(
 
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and i want to be a physicist but that might be a bit optimistic conisdering i know zeep about it.
 
I've told people before and I'll tell you. https://www.amazon.com/dp/0553380168/?tag=pfamazon01-20 (both the book and the TV miniseries), by Carl Sagan is another classic layman physics intro, though it's getting a little dated by now. It's also geared to a slightly younger crowd, so if you're in the middle school to early High School range, that might be a good bet.

Other than that, take all the classes you can in physical science, mathematics and physics whenever you can. Also, good sci-fi authors can teach you a lot as well (or at least point you in the direction of questions to ask in the real world). Arthur C. Clark in particular was excellent at mixing real science in his fiction. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000P1TL04/?tag=pfamazon01-20, which again should be a couple bucks at any used book store worth the name.

Other than that, watch the Discovery Channel or the Science Channel, they have some good space/physics shows. Everything will help, you just have to start building a base of knowledge, and add the more complex stuff on as you learn more.

Also, I don't know how old you are (you seem fairly young), so I'll say: If you want it, don't give up. You know what separates someone who always wanted to a physicist but never made it, and someone who is a physicist? The decision to do it, no matter how hard it got. That's it. Trite, but true! :D
 
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Thanks, I have read the brief history of time and briefer history of time and some numerouse tv series that explains time and space. I am very interested in time and space stuff... and I am 13
 
The best thing you can do at this point is to make sure you have a solid grasp of all the math that you are taught in middle and high school. You might want to consider getting books that go outside of the curriculum (e.g. a book on challenging geometry/trigonometry). Everything that you are taught in a high school math class will be needed eventually in physics. Keep in mind that general-audience physics books are great to see if you'd like to do physics but won't help you all that much in a physics class (that's my experience but then again I haven't taken anything beyond mechanics)
 
Learn high school math, then learn calculus.
 
Make sure you don't slack off in algebra, geometry, and precalc. Understand them to their core, because they pop up all over the place later on.

Personally, I think you can start ahead in your mathematics. I think the US math is waay too slow, start Geometry in 6th grade. Algebra 1 for 7th grade, Algebra II for 8th grade (the conventional is Alg 1, Geometry, then Alg 2, I never get why they break up algebra) and then precalculus in high school. You should be in Caculus as a sophomore. Then by junior year, you can start tackling some more "advance" physics (which essentially is college first or second year).

Make sure you understand the basics, they will come and haunt you later.
 
I live in Australia, so no middle schools but i will pay an incredible amount of attention in class and hope for the best! Thanks everyone.
 
Wow, when do you usually start algebra in America?

I was doing algebra in your equivalent of fifth grade :S
 

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