When do total differentials cancel with partial derivatives

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conditions under which total differentials can be considered to cancel with partial derivatives, particularly in the context of general relativity (GR) and the application of the multivariable chain rule. Participants explore the implications of this cancellation and its validity in different coordinate systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a derivation involving the cancellation of total differentials with partial derivatives and questions the conditions under which this is valid, specifically asking if it holds true in inertial coordinates.
  • Another participant references the multivariable chain rule to explain that the cancellation is a simplification and emphasizes the use of the Einstein summation convention.
  • A later reply acknowledges the chain rule but suggests that the terminology of "cancellation" may be misleading, arguing that derivatives should not be treated as fractions.
  • Another participant supports this view, asserting that the notion of cancellation in the context of derivatives is not entirely accurate, particularly for ordinary derivatives, and provides a link for further discussion on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of treating derivatives as fractions and the implications of the chain rule. There is no consensus on the appropriateness of the term "cancellation" in this context.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential misunderstandings regarding the nature of derivatives and their treatment in mathematical expressions, particularly in relation to the chain rule and the Einstein summation convention.

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I've just done a derivation and had to use the following

[itex]u_{b}u^{c}\partial_{c}\rho = u_{b}\frac{dx^{c}}{d\tau}\frac{\partial\rho}{\partial x^{c}} = u_{b}\frac{d\rho}{d\tau}[/itex]

We've done this cancellation a lot during my GR course, but I'm not clear exactly when/why this is possible.

EDIT: is this only true in inertial coordinates?
 
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Are you familiar with the multivariable chain rule
[tex]\frac{d f (x,y)}{dt} = \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\frac{dx}{dt} + \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\frac{dy}{dt}?[/tex]
The 'cancellation' you performed there is simply a simplification using the chain rule (remember that you are using the Einstein summation convention).
 
Fightfish said:
Are you familiar with the multivariable chain rule
[tex]\frac{d f (x,y)}{dt} = \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\frac{dx}{dt} + \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\frac{dy}{dt}?[/tex]
The 'cancellation' you performed there is simply a simplification using the chain rule (remember that you are using the Einstein summation convention).

Thanks, i did notice that of course after posting o:)
 
And, while it may be a useful "mnemonic", the derivative, ordinary or partial, is NOT a fraction and the "chain rule" does NOT involve "cancelling".
 

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