When do we use tensor densities rather than tensors?

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which tensor densities are preferred over tensors, particularly in the context of integration on manifolds and applications in general relativity. The scope includes theoretical considerations and references to relevant literature.

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  • One participant notes that tensor densities are used when integrating over an n-manifold, specifically mentioning that the volume element is an anti-symmetric tensor density constructed through wedge products.
  • Another participant points out that tensor densities appear in the Einstein Lagrangian, citing the expression \L = (-g)^{1/2}R, where g is the metric determinant and R is the Ricci scalar.
  • It is mentioned that a tensor density can be converted into a tensor by multiplying it by g^{W/2}, where W is the weight of the tensor density.
  • References to literature are provided for further reading, including works by Wald, Carroll, and D'Inverno.
  • Links to external resources are shared, although one participant acknowledges that their post may be off-topic.
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Participants do not reach a consensus on specific points where tensor densities are used over tensors, and multiple perspectives on the topic are presented without resolution.

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Some assumptions regarding the definitions and applications of tensor densities and tensors remain unaddressed, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical details involved in their use.

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Readers interested in differential geometry, general relativity, and the mathematical foundations of physics may find this discussion relevant.

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I can't think of definite points where tensor densities are used over tensors but one point is that when integrating some scalar or tensor over a region of an n - manifold the volume element is actually an anti - symmetric tensor density which is constructed through wedge products like differential forms. Another place I have seen tensor densities is in an Einstein Lagrangian [tex]\L = (-g)^{1/2}R[/tex] where g is the metric determinant and R is the ricci scalar. If I recall correctly you can always turn a tensor density into a tensor by multiplying the density by [tex]g^{W/2}[/tex] where W is the weight of the tensor density you are changing.

If you want check out Appendix B of General Relativity - Wald (he talks about integration and forms but not densities explicitly), Spacetime and Geometry - Carroll (sections 2.8 - 2.10), or Introducing Einstein's Relativity - D'Inverno (sections 7.1 - 7.4).
 


For area, volume, and angular momentum:

http://www.lightandmatter.com/html_books/genrel/ch04/ch04.html#Section4.6
 
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bcrowell said:
For area, volume, and angular momentum:

http://www.lightandmatter.com/html_books/genrel/ch04/ch04.html#Section4.6

Off topic sorry,

just want to gives props to bcrowell for the free texts. I'm really enjoying them :)
 
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Thanks, bcrowell. That clears it up.
 

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