When Does A \ (A \ B) Equal B in Set Theory?

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The discussion revolves around set theory, specifically exploring the conditions under which the equation A \ (A \ B) equals B holds true. Participants are analyzing the implications of set difference and subset relationships between sets A and B.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the implications of B being a subset of A and how this affects the set difference operation. There are attempts to prove the equality through logical reasoning and set definitions. Some participants question specific steps in the reasoning process and seek clarification on the application of set laws.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and guidance on the reasoning behind the set operations. Some have expressed understanding of the concepts involved, while others are still seeking clarification on specific logical steps and definitions.

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There is mention of the need to prove both directions of the equality, indicating a thorough exploration of the problem. Participants are also referencing specific set operations and laws, such as DeMorgan's Law and the associative law, which may influence their reasoning.

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Homework Statement



where A and B are sets and ' \ ' means set difference

under what conditions does A \ (A \ B) = B

Homework Equations



S\A = {X | X in S and X not in A}
B < A (subset) means if x is in B then x is in A


The Attempt at a Solution


I get that if B is a subset of A then A \ (A \ B) = B. But I don't know how to prove it. Here's my attempt thus far

assume x is in A \ (A \ B)
to be proved x is in B

from assumption x is in A and x is not in (A \ B) , then
x is in A and not { L | L in A and L not in B}
because B is a subset of A
x is in A and . . .

. . .
It's like I know that A \ B contains nothing from B but because A includes B, subtracting it from A will give back B. I don't know how to phrase it right for making a mathematical argument. Any guidance will be strongly appreciated.
 
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A\(A\ B) = B

For A\B, Let [tex]x \in A \wedge x \notin B[/tex]
Then, A \ (A \ B) implies that

[tex]x \in A \wedge (x \notin A \vee x \in B)[/tex] by DeMorgan's Law

Then, by associative law,

[tex](x \in A \wedge x \notin A) \vee ( x \in A \wedge x \in B) \implies ( x \in A \vee x \in B)[/tex]

So, [tex]A \cup B = B[/tex] if [tex]A \subset B[/tex] or if A is the empty set.
 
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Assuming B is a subset of A:

If x is in A\(A\B) then x is in A and x is not in A\B. x not in A\B means either x is not in A (which is impossible) or x is in B. Therefore x in A\(A\B) implies x is in B.
If x is in B, since B is a subest of A, x is in A. Since x is in B, it is NOT in A\B and therefore is in A\(A\B).

Those two prove that, if B is a subset of A, A\(A\B)= B.

But you also have to prove the other way: if A\(A\B)= B, then B is a subset of A.

if x is in B, then x is NOT in A\B but is in A\(A\B) because A\(A\B)= B. Therefore x is in A and so B is a subset of A.
 
Thank you for your help. I actually got it just after posting here, when I read the chapter and found that if B is a subset of A, A\B can be rewritten as B* or B's Complement in A. Then my modeling of the problem became more crystaline, and I went from there, only slightly different than yours HallsOfIvy

For Konthelion, I have not seen the step you made to get to "x in A and (x not in A or x in B)". Can you explain why you were able to do this?
 
A\B=A[tex]\cap[/tex]B[tex]^{c}[/tex] will help o:)
Well, Konthelion made a mistake: that should be "so, A[tex]\cap[/tex]B=B , blah blah blah"
 
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