When Should You Use Relativistic Equations Instead of Classical Ones?

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The discussion centers around the criteria for choosing between relativistic and classical equations in physics, particularly in the context of motion and gravitational systems. Participants explore the conditions under which relativistic effects become significant, considering both theoretical frameworks and practical applications.

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  • One participant suggests that relativistic equations should be used "anytime an object comes anywhere close to the magnitude of the speed of light."
  • Another participant introduces a framework using dimensionless parameters, ##\hat{c}## and ##\hat{G}##, to delineate the regimes for classical and relativistic physics, indicating that if ##\hat{c}## is small and/or ##\hat{G}## is large, relativity becomes necessary.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that the decision to use relativistic equations depends on the precision required for a given problem, suggesting that one can relate precision to the Lorentz factor and the corresponding speed.

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Participants express differing views on the criteria for using relativistic versus classical equations, with no consensus reached on a definitive threshold or moment for this transition.

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Participants mention various parameters and conditions but do not fully resolve the implications of these parameters or the specific contexts in which they apply.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in physics, particularly those exploring the transition between classical mechanics and relativistic physics in various applications.

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What is the defining moment when you use relativistic equations instead of classical ones? I have heard something as vague as "when it matters" and something about a ratio of rest energy before. I was hoping to know if there was a more concrete moment that defines when to use one or another. I of course use them anytime an object comes anywhere close to the magnitude of the speed of light.
 
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Welcome to the forum mate! There are two major regimes. Say a system has a mass ##M##, characteristic length scale ##L## and characteristic time scale ##T##; for example, ##L## can be the size of a celestial orbit and ##T## the period of the orbit. We can form the two dimensionless parameters ##\hat{c} = \frac{cT}{L}## and ##\hat{G} = \frac{GM T^2}{L^3}## where ##c## is the speed of light and ##G## is Newton's constant. In essence, ##\hat{c}## is the velocity scale of our system and ##\hat{G}## is the scale of self-gravitation of our system.

The limit ##\hat{c}\rightarrow \infty## with ##\hat{G}## fixed gives us Newtonian gravity and the limit ##\hat{G}\rightarrow 0## with ##\hat{c}## fixed gives us special relativity. Imagine the two-dimensional parameter space of ##(\hat{G},\hat{c})##; if you draw a graph using the ##\hat{G}## and ##\hat{c}## axes then you can label the regions where relativity is important. Loosely put, if ##\hat{c}## is small and/or ##\hat{G}## is large we will need relativity.
 
"When it matters" is the best answer. It depends on the precision needed. For any given precision you can convert that to the Lorentz factor and calculate the speed required.
 
Awesome. Thanks for the quick replies folks.
 

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